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only in shooting only deals good evening

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everyone and welcome to Mack Maloney's

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military exile show here on the public

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streaming network hey this is Mike

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Maloney and in the studio with us

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tonight very special occasion tonight

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the very famous Juan Juan hello Mack how

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are you today I producer okay you don't

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really want to know and also in the

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studio with us tonight is a very famous

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commander Cobra jump I'm saying Hut

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salute return gentlemen thank you very

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much Mack you may not feel well but you

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look fabulous thank you very much he's

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just here for a salute he has to come

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once a month to see it in person party

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so he's here tonight and we're very

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interesting show I'm not so sure we can

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top last week's show but we'll try first

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of all we're going to be talking to well

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one is going to present day something

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we've been talking about here off here

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for wow it's a place called hogs hat

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which is the middle of the Pine Barrens

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in New Jersey and this place is so

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isolated so creepy that a lot of people

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in New Jersey doesn't even realize is

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like a 400 square foot square mile

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forest in the middle of the state how

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big is it it's actually 1,500 square

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miles yeah and I bet Jess Lee populated

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by an average of 15 people force per

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square mile yeah there's nothing there I

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bet you half the people who know New

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Jersey have no idea what Pine Barrens is

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you know how well they've heard of it

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like that guest our guest last week

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heard of it yes that's true right it's

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written New Jersey Devil comes from all

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kinds of weird things but there was some

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very strange that happened at this

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little town in the middle of this place

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called the Hogs Hat and donjuan one's

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gonna be telling us about that and then

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talking to switchblade Steve he's gonna

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be telling us about a British pilot RAF

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pilot who it was not an abductee by UFOs

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but he was definitely a contact II he

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was someone who had kind of like an open

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channel as they say in the booze

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to aliens for some reason and he was

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also someone who was known as a very

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well-qualified pilot he might have been

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even a test pilot

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so um switchblade Steve will be

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reporting on him and then for the second

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half of the show we have a special we're

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doing a special tonight I hope a lot of

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people up then know what the f-35 is if

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not maybe you can look it up google it

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because later on in the show we're going

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to be talking about this controversial

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fight a plane that the US military is

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building called the f-35 and it's one of

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these things it's kind of like one line

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it's kind of like the Swiss Army knife

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of jet fighters it's supposed to shoot

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it out of the jet fighters it's supposed

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to plump you know stuff on the ground

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they're supposed people in the gun I

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think you can probably launch nuclear

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missiles from it and works with drones

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and all this stuff it one version takes

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off vertically it's engine actually

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moves I mean open up a can of sea rats

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in case you can do anything it can do

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anything it's really something else but

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they cost unda money they it was wants

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to build like 5,000 of these things

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they've sold them a number of them to

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our allies overseas and a lot of people

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say that it doesn't work I put a damper

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on the party but anyway we're gonna be

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talking about the f-35 with Rob back

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house and of Juarez boring and the

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commander is here and it should be quite

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the discussion so anything to add the

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m11 no that's a full house right there

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last week we talked to a good friend

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Sammy in Hollywood hmm about Sipho la

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yep and I'm happy to report that they

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sold out again

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in it basically they're like 20 act

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on La Brea in California and now I see

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Angeles people from Star Trek people

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from Star Wars people from the sci-fi

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channel they come on they act these

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little 20 minute sci-fi plays and I'm

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telling you they're great

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I meant to ask her if they were filming

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this and putting it out on DVD or say

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sigh fest la we say please bring it to

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bust and where we are because we think

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it'd be big anyway so that's the show

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for the night so why don't we do this go

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report on onyx hat so please stay with

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us here on the public streaming network

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this myth and in the studio with us

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tonight once again very excited well I'm

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honest here and also community Cobra in

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the studio with us tonight for a big

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f-35 to be coming up later on but first

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one we've been talking about this for

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several weeks and I just know of this

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place but I did a chapter in a book that

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I wrote called beyond area51 still on

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sale everywhere and and I just someone

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had a DJ who I knew at a station down in

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Philadelphia actually turn me on to this

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place because their studios are actually

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in the Pine Barrens and they broadcast

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across some of the Delaware River to

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Philly awesome really yeah so they

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weren't really in Philly so this guy had

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to like drive through the Pine Barrens

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you know every night he was on midnight

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and I had a couple friends of mine who

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were in the music business who were

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guests of his so I had to give them

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directions to go when they saw UFOs and

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ghosts and everything in this place you

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know it's supposed to be the enormous

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it's the world is you know it was 1,500

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square miles of no New Jersey and it's

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and it's just it's haunting you it sound

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like it at one time or maybe maybe soon

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it might be a federal wildlife preserve

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or something that it's it's really a

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real place and it it's called the Pine

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Barrens it's in New Jersey and it's it's

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noted for for its lack of interesting

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vegetation other than me and eating

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plants like venus flytraps and things

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that they're carnivorous plants of some

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and the the st. the sand is the the

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ground is too sandy and too acidic to to

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really be hospitable for for farming

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anything anything like that but it's

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it's it's out there along the New Jersey

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Jersey I don't know what X is off of do

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you know what exit I know that it goes

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on for quite a while on that a lot and

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people a lot of people take that you

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know that route you know into New York

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and and you know really a lot of people

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don't realize it though it's on the map

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yeah it's on the map but it's you go

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right through the middle of it and we

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Angeline Rose Troy right right yeah

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beautiful actress Hollywood she was from

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New Jersey she said everything she drove

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through this she got the creeps and a

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lot of people have said that as well I

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don't know and imagine doing that at

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night so anyway do you have do you have

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like a global history they were this

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place or well I I have a sort of a

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contemporary history goes back to say

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the 1700s because it's it's been such a

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weird place and they said you know

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there's all kinds of ghosts there and

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whatnot and it's it's noted and this is

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something I never knew it's noted for

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the New Jersey Devil and I was I was

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wondering was where the hockey team got

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that name but this New Jersey Devil was

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born in 1735 what was the New Jersey

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Devil you may ask this this woman named

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mrs. Leeds her mother Leeds as they

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called her she had 12 children and guess

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what she was pregnant again and bore her

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13th child it was his son but he was

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cursed from the very beginning and you

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could tell he was cursed cos had a very

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weird look about him he had I have a

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picture of him hearing on my computer

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but he had the body of a serpent the

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wings of a bat head of a horse or goat

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and a devil's forked tail and some

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cloven hooves by the looks of this

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illustration that I have here luckily we

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do this on Mother's Day know if he was

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he's been haunting the Pine Barrens

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forever and ever he was born and quickly

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harassed the Midwife and the other nurse

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attendants that were there and a real

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statement a real statement for a rough

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breastfeeding will have been made with

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this yeah he was kind of like biting a

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lot so I don't think you'd be one

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oppressed want to breastfeed this this

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Tyco and he raised a little havoc in the

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room and then flew up the chimney so

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that was that but legend has it that he

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was a pretty bad guy and if you see him

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around you want to stay away from him

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you know that wasn't that wasn't the

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only thing was going on was Captain Kidd

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there was the wreck out there in the

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ocean Captain Kidd was headless walking

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around that's what people were saying oh

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no he saw Captain Kidd all the time

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walking around Pine Barrens and he was

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he was looking for the rest of his crew

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so he's walking around and some people

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say they saw him but that it got its

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name though by this dude named Jacob

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Onge they called the place on his hat

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because it was perhaps some kind of

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incident in town where an altercation

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kind of took place and somebody might

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have stopped in his hat and he was a

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little bit upset about it and he picked

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it up and threw it up in the air landed

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in the tree forever and ever has been

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called orange songs his hat on oranges

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hat right oMG aren't orange pronouncing

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it correctly I think so yeah I don't I

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there's so much about this particular

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a couple seconds why Mac is attending to

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I found the young's hat thing there's a

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lot of controversy on this particular

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issue as well where they talk about it

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that it's a complete urban legend like

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it's completely been created out of out

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of it and then when you look back at the

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historical part of it there is actual

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events that tie into it as well a lot of

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real stuff that was alleged to have

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happened and one of the things that

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happened was there were these two twins

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that lived there named Frank and Althea

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Dobbs they're from Texas I spent the

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early childhood living in an UFO type of

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kombu I didn't know those UFO kommune

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but it's been pretty cool it is the land

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of opportunity this I think so so if

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you're into that and we are here that

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being in a UFO Communist it doesn't get

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better than that but they're kind of

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bright kids and they did end up at the

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University of Texas and they created the

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science they called cognitive chaos

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interesting name I don't know if that

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those courses are still offered and they

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say that with their science of cognitive

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chaos that it had some marvelous things

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they could do with it they could heal

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themselves of any affliction and the

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aging process and travelled to other

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dimensions this was the key the

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traveling to other dimensions part so

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they tried to develop that at Princeton

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University apparently a pretty smart to

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get into Princeton University I would

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think and they're working to prove that

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this cognitive chaos theory was totally

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possible but the rest of the the school

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wasn't buying it and they were expelled

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from Princeton too bad but they said

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we're gonna so what's the date that this

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is occurring at just in 1:1 just in in

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round numbers this was the mid-eighteen

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the mid eighteen hundreds was Jacobs

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orange throwing his hat up in the air

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the cognitive chaos was I think the late

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70s early 80s perhaps they worked on

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this theory but they were expelled

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because they the the rest of school

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thought they're idiots but they wanted

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to develop this theory of the morning

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but they did was cruising up to to a

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pine barrens and with them they brought

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a an Airstream trailer I love those

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Airstream trailers they're very sleek

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and shiny also used for the space

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program for the first astronauts one

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they really yeah when the astronauts

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returned they weren't sure if they had

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collected biological material and then

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went to the moon so when they were put

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into isolation on the aircraft carrier

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it was Airstream trailers that we used

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Wow so you see those pictures of them

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that's where they were kept in in

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quarantine for I forgot how long it was

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it was a good couple weeks maybe a month

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until it was proved that they obviously

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there was nothing biological on the and

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the void of the Moon but for those of us

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that believe we did go the moon that's a

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couple return to a different story at a

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different time so they didn't get this

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Airstream trailer to live in and they

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they use this Airstream trailer to

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create like this gateway to another

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dimension on one side of the Airstream

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trailer is the Pine Barrens as we know

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it and love it

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fifteen hundred square miles of

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desolation and creatures running around

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and the other side was at the other

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dimension they call this Airstream

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trailer the the gate

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so this is the gateway to another

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dimension how they pull this off well

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they they put together this device this

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capsule this vehicle that would

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transport them to the other dimension

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how do they do that they round up a

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volunteer a couple of volunteers and

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they put him in the capsule off they

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went and they were gone for a week and

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then guess what

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they came back and the first person that

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came back says hey yeah I went to this

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other dimension and it looked just like

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the Pine Barrens except there was nobody

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there

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an empty Pine Barrens that word spread

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that this might have been a safe place

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to go so they had a bunch of other

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volunteers to go into this other

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dimension a number of people came back

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and they they populated the area kind of

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except they were commuters apparently

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the Pine Barrens didn't have you know

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shopping malls and you know III did a

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lot of statement centers I did a good

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bit of test flying over the Pine Barrens

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the early 2000s when I was working on a

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helicopter project up in that part of

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the world and it has a definite vibe to

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it and as our guest a couple weeks ago

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was speaking about I'm not one to

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consider himself extremely sensitive to

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that kind of stuff but that area

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definitely has a feel to it so if it

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works on someone as obtuse as me it

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obviously has something going on there

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it's a very very interesting place it's

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starting from when you go back though

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the history starting with Native

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Americans what's recorded there all the

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way up I find interesting that our to

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Texas twins here come up there at

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Princeton yep a for those of us those

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that may not know the northeast and East

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real well a college of extensive

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reputation in New Jersey just a short

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distance up the road I'm wondering if

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the twins found out about the Pine

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Barrens why they were at college why

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they're at Princeton or if that was the

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reason why they wanted to go to

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Princeton well I read bet with the twins

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probably

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a little bit on the Qt so they could

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serve Tisha's Lee study their their

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craft I'd use the resources of the

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University but obviously where it got

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out and then they were subsequently

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expelled unfortunately but or really

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fortunately because then they then they

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got the impetus to develop their their

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transportation mechanism to travel

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travel back and forth I couldn't tell

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you that I've actually seen their

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transportation areas but there are spots

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carved out in the Pine Barrens that have

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runway like structures do not paved

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they're just dirt on the sand runways

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there there are the occasional what

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would appear anyplace else in the

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country to be like a hunter's camp or a

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fisherman's camp but there's nothing

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really game wised up to hunt there as

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far as I know they say that even the

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animal population in that part of it is

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is very low there's not a lot of deer

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there because there's there's not a lot

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of vegetation it's it's a heavy pine

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forest with coniferous plants which live

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on the acidic soil that's so they they

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like to do their business and you know

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very restricted they're not very

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hospitable no it's not it's got a really

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strange like humans or animals it's just

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a place and from the air it's pretty

421
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interesting you know right off the bat

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when you come up to the boundary of it

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because it dramatically is different

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than the rest of the area around it this

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this this section is there any kind of a

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like an upstream force that you might

427
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feel or something like that I like I

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told you I got a strange vibe when I'm

429
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out there flying over it and it looks

430
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different and it has a feel to it but

431
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for its physical features you can tell

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when you get into that sandy land mast

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when you spot it so if I can understand

434
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why they would probably want to set up

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shop out there because it's the

436
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perfectly set up shop I also might add

437
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that it's reputed to be a location that

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organized-crime would use for end

439
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activity very often mmm maybe like The

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Sopranos might drop off a few people

441
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there you know well I wouldn't really

442
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I'm not into the run not into naming

443
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names Juan Juan by the way you're

444
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listening to the Mack Melones military

445
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x-files on the

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public streaming network in the digital

447
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Dark Matter Network I want to be more

448
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dramatic instead I drop the bombs well I

449
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don't have to do a show on reeducation

450
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and one one can be one of the pupils so

451
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let me get back to the story real quick

452
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alright so to get the air stream is a

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gateway people going back and forth but

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there's nothing there other than the

455
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pine barrens is just desolate and they

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come back to purchase groceries beer

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coffee whatever it is that they need

458
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then they go back on the other side and

459
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go back and forth so this is like really

460
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fun and games for everybody out there

461
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but then something weird happened and up

462
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the road from Pine Barrens well located

463
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right right near Pine Barrens is a is

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Fort Dix and there was some kind of

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chemical leak in the area that the folks

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at Fort Dix thought was that they might

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be responsible for so what do they do

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when a Fort Dix being a military

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establishment they came down from

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helicopters a SWAT team from Fort Dix

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Delta Force no less and state police

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tactical squad and burnt the place down

473
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they blew it up they did like a a Waco

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Texas flamethrowers the whole bit burned

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the place down and killed maybe six or

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seven people so that was that but there

477
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was no reporting at all that this

478
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happened nothing so what was this all

479
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about did this really happen or did

480
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somebody make this story up Mac what do

481
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you think well those are the that was

482
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the strange thing because when we were

483
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researching the chapter in the book that

484
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we're at I'll yeah all I have to run

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sanitized

486
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but c'mere this headphone okay now

487
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that's better okay you didn't take that

488
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as an insult Oh makes me feel so much

489
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better

490
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no um when we would you know research in

491
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the chapter for this book and you know

492
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and heard that story that you just told

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there's so many my kind of fascinating

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aspects to it the twins and how smart

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they were rather get thrown out of

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Princeton the Airstream trailer it's

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Fort Dix Delta for us the word amazing

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and as it turned out one of the

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explanations for all this is that this

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story was the first myth started on the

501
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internet yeah the first legend right and

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the people there were people who were

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these people who were at the very

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beginning of the founding of the

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Internet some of these people you know

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we're kind of way out thinkers and they

507
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thought well what we look what we have

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here and they were right in a way

509
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and they said if we start kind of

510
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planting these stories around back then

511
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it was bulletin boards which you know I

512
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just be able to remember bulletin boards

513
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but it's where people used to just write

514
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and leave letters and messages for each

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other right

516
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yeah right they started the story about

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the twins and aunt Long's hat and so on

518
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and and what happened was exactly what

519
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they wanted to happen because the only

520
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way that you can really explain it is

521
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like that kids game where I think it's

522
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called telephone work when kid says

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something to the other kid and then they

524
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pass it on my whispering by the time you

525
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see how accurate the story is at the

526
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other end at the other end exactly right

527
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and that's what happened in this in this

528
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story they blossomed and and it's

529
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exactly how the people who started it

530
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wanted it to be and even now people go

531
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to the Pine Barrens expecting to see

532
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where the yes dream trailer was a long

533
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time so it in a way they want you to

534
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believe they're kind of eggheads in a

535
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way you'll probably experience or see

536
00:21:54,210 --> 00:21:52,300
some of the things that took place and

537
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then embellish it in their own minds and

538
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then right yes exactly

539
00:22:00,240 --> 00:21:57,790
now this is this was in the middle of a

540
00:22:00,750 --> 00:22:00,250
place that is freaking haunted anyway so

541
00:22:01,950 --> 00:22:00,760
unique

542
00:22:03,150 --> 00:22:01,960
go there and you know something weirds

543
00:22:06,690 --> 00:22:03,160
gonna happen and you're gonna go oh my

544
00:22:08,250 --> 00:22:06,700
god this is all true you know but it was

545
00:22:09,690 --> 00:22:08,260
just interesting that what these did

546
00:22:11,070 --> 00:22:09,700
with the people way way back in there

547
00:22:12,750 --> 00:22:11,080
they're like they'd in the Stone Age of

548
00:22:14,220 --> 00:22:12,760
the internet said let's see if we can

549
00:22:15,630 --> 00:22:14,230
kind of light this fuse and let's see

550
00:22:17,940 --> 00:22:15,640
what happens and and that's what

551
00:22:20,430 --> 00:22:17,950
happened you know and to read the

552
00:22:23,940 --> 00:22:20,440
detailed story of Long's hat it's creepy

553
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:23,950
it's it's it's believable in a lot of

554
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:28,960
ways for some reason right yeah right

555
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:31,410
yeah it's it's a strange story on that

556
00:22:35,790 --> 00:22:34,480
very like I would like to go there did

557
00:22:38,010 --> 00:22:35,800
you talk about you know how we got its

558
00:22:40,740 --> 00:22:38,020
name by anything yeah I did okay

559
00:22:43,410 --> 00:22:40,750
I mean I feel like I should go there you

560
00:22:44,670 --> 00:22:43,420
know I sure I'd like to talk to somebody

561
00:22:47,910 --> 00:22:44,680
at the general store I'm sure this

562
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:47,920
there's got to be some kind of place a

563
00:22:52,650 --> 00:22:51,010
little diner you know the couple all the

564
00:22:56,810 --> 00:22:52,660
guys in there hanging out sit let me

565
00:23:00,060 --> 00:22:56,820
tell you the story about Jacob on just a

566
00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:00,070
lot of places that weirdos from Texas

567
00:23:02,970 --> 00:23:02,110
right well they probably know about them

568
00:23:05,250 --> 00:23:02,980
right

569
00:23:06,210 --> 00:23:05,260
other places that we talk about you know

570
00:23:08,130 --> 00:23:06,220
where he talked about the Wakefield

571
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:08,140
monster last week and we and you know

572
00:23:11,070 --> 00:23:09,610
and someone said I think you said I have

573
00:23:12,810 --> 00:23:11,080
to is good answer the neighbors diner

574
00:23:14,940 --> 00:23:12,820
and you're gonna find someone who knows

575
00:23:16,650 --> 00:23:14,950
you know what really happened the time

576
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:16,660
Behrens Vance in the weird it seems like

577
00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:18,970
this how many people like 15 people per

578
00:23:23,490 --> 00:23:21,310
square mile that's the average 15 people

579
00:23:25,710 --> 00:23:23,500
per square mile in the 1500 square mile

580
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:25,720
area I mean that's that's nothing no

581
00:23:33,060 --> 00:23:29,770
that's deserted every strange place aunt

582
00:23:34,020 --> 00:23:33,070
at New Jersey look for it the next time

583
00:23:35,580 --> 00:23:34,030
you're heading down the Garden State

584
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:35,590
Park yeah you you won't even know just

585
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:39,610
ask anybody there was no sign to it

586
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:42,010
there's no signs no no I think we should

587
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:43,330
go there on the field trip anyway hey

588
00:23:46,860 --> 00:23:44,650
listen very interesting thank you

589
00:23:48,810 --> 00:23:46,870
commander and you a very famous Juan

590
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:48,820
Juan and that what we're gonna do now is

591
00:23:53,150 --> 00:23:50,410
we're gonna go and are you through the

592
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:53,160
UK you brought copious notes I did and

593
00:23:57,710 --> 00:23:55,600
and then I was thinking okay you're

594
00:23:59,610 --> 00:23:57,720
listening to the macro noise x-files and

595
00:24:07,610 --> 00:23:59,620
distributed on a public streaming

596
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:10,560
a lot of you know I love that I love the

597
00:24:19,340 --> 00:24:14,960
story the darknet additional network and

598
00:24:20,990 --> 00:24:19,350
okay gone so radio and military channel

599
00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:21,000
so this is tap-dance and I just don't

600
00:24:24,650 --> 00:24:22,140
know what's going on you're at the

601
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,660
bottom of your notes I'm it's like you

602
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:26,720
know I just love it

603
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:35,850
apparently I love it anyway so wow that

604
00:24:37,970 --> 00:24:37,110
was interesting thanks very much and

605
00:24:39,770 --> 00:24:37,980
I'll tell you what when we take a

606
00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:39,780
commercial break and we'll be right back

607
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:41,700
after this you're listening to Mack

608
00:24:45,020 --> 00:24:43,500
Moniz military x-files show here on the

609
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:45,030
public streaming network in the studio

610
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:47,970
with us tonight one one and the

611
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:49,770
commander and this is back and we'll be

612
00:24:56,900 --> 00:24:54,090
right back welcome back everyone to Mack

613
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,910
mommy's military exercise go here on hey

614
00:25:00,800 --> 00:24:58,320
the public streaming network this is

615
00:25:02,660 --> 00:25:00,810
Mack Maloney and in the studio with us

616
00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:02,670
tonight very special occasion Juan Juan

617
00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:07,140
is here so Mack okay cute and also the

618
00:25:11,660 --> 00:25:08,820
very famous Banco or is it video means

619
00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:11,670
tonight we have on the phone with us a

620
00:25:17,630 --> 00:25:14,310
very special feel correspondents which

621
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:17,640
played Steve Ward up the air in Battle

622
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:18,930
Creek Michigan how you doing tonight

623
00:25:22,910 --> 00:25:20,220
this with Shahrukh

624
00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:22,920
I am beyond awesome like beyond awesome

625
00:25:29,330 --> 00:25:27,000
a big you beyond loss you know why you

626
00:25:30,830 --> 00:25:29,340
beyond awesome I'm not abusing

627
00:25:33,260 --> 00:25:30,840
prescription drugs everything everything

628
00:25:35,090 --> 00:25:33,270
no that's what they all say okay well

629
00:25:36,770 --> 00:25:35,100
it's great day if you're high on life my

630
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,780
friend then you know good for you that's

631
00:25:41,420 --> 00:25:39,120
right that's how you can ever get that's

632
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:41,430
right somebody say those don't the

633
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:43,050
people say that people can't score any

634
00:25:58,130 --> 00:25:55,320
weed I would say that Matt but my point

635
00:25:59,900 --> 00:25:58,140
for me exactly thank you so I switch

636
00:26:02,570 --> 00:25:59,910
late you were gonna tell us tonight

637
00:26:04,790 --> 00:26:02,580
about a RAF pilot his last name was

638
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:04,800
hoarsely that's kind of a unfortunate

639
00:26:09,770 --> 00:26:07,110
name for two reasons but we won't go

640
00:26:13,010 --> 00:26:09,780
into that right now so um what's up with

641
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,020
this guy well this is uh Air Marshal Sir

642
00:26:17,180 --> 00:26:14,720
Peter Horsley

643
00:26:18,740 --> 00:26:17,190
really really interesting guy they I'm

644
00:26:20,090 --> 00:26:18,750
gonna recommend this you know a lot of a

645
00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:20,100
listeners here that the in the military

646
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:23,340
and so forth this is a his autobiography

647
00:26:27,769 --> 00:26:26,000
is called sounds from another room and

648
00:26:29,209 --> 00:26:27,779
it's one of these book

649
00:26:30,889 --> 00:26:29,219
might have to pay a couple extra bucks

650
00:26:33,289 --> 00:26:30,899
for because it's you know out of print

651
00:26:37,639 --> 00:26:33,299
and so forth but this guy's life is just

652
00:26:38,749 --> 00:26:37,649
absolutely fascinating it's uh he did

653
00:26:41,619 --> 00:26:38,759
everything his war hero

654
00:26:45,619 --> 00:26:41,629
it was in the beginning of World War two

655
00:26:47,869 --> 00:26:45,629
flew as a pilot and just a really really

656
00:26:49,999 --> 00:26:47,879
fascinating life and you know toward the

657
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:50,009
it was later on that he became

658
00:26:54,259 --> 00:26:52,529
interested in the UFO mystery but let's

659
00:26:58,129 --> 00:26:54,269
go let's go back a little bit he was

660
00:27:02,799 --> 00:26:58,139
born in 1921 had a really really rough

661
00:27:05,479 --> 00:27:02,809
early life his father was a a West

662
00:27:08,389 --> 00:27:05,489
Hartlepool I guess that's the way to

663
00:27:10,159 --> 00:27:08,399
pronounce it Hartlepool merchant that

664
00:27:12,049 --> 00:27:10,169
which was a timber merchant and they

665
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:12,059
were ship owners well they were very

666
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:14,129
prosperous at one time but all the

667
00:27:17,089 --> 00:27:15,570
sudden the bottom fell out of the

668
00:27:22,249 --> 00:27:17,099
business and his father committed

669
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:22,259
suicide his his mom lived for some years

670
00:27:26,450 --> 00:27:24,210
afterwards but in very ill health and

671
00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:26,460
then she died he was the youngest of

672
00:27:30,289 --> 00:27:28,289
seven children and I guess there was

673
00:27:31,879 --> 00:27:30,299
some money left where at least the

674
00:27:33,409 --> 00:27:31,889
children could get some you know he was

675
00:27:36,109 --> 00:27:33,419
in schools for a while so he did get an

676
00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:36,119
education mm-hmm but the first chance he

677
00:27:38,869 --> 00:27:38,190
got he wanted to join the Merchant

678
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:38,879
Marine

679
00:27:46,579 --> 00:27:42,690
so in 1939 he became a deck boy for the

680
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:46,589
t SS Cyclops it was a turbine steamship

681
00:27:51,709 --> 00:27:49,529
okay it was part of what they called the

682
00:27:54,469 --> 00:27:51,719
blue funnel a blue funnel steamer

683
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:54,479
okay blue funnel line and they it served

684
00:27:57,379 --> 00:27:55,679
the British Empire they would you know

685
00:28:00,229 --> 00:27:57,389
transport goods back and forth across

686
00:28:02,930 --> 00:28:00,239
the vast British Empire and of course he

687
00:28:07,009 --> 00:28:02,940
was starting out low he was swabbing

688
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:07,019
decks and shoveling coal so but there

689
00:28:13,489 --> 00:28:09,570
was uh was an interesting experience he

690
00:28:15,979 --> 00:28:13,499
had some a turning point he was uh he

691
00:28:18,589 --> 00:28:15,989
was on he was alone one time he had the

692
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,599
access to the ship's radio listening

693
00:28:22,639 --> 00:28:20,159
some dance music from London and so

694
00:28:24,979 --> 00:28:22,649
forth and then he he here is an American

695
00:28:27,739 --> 00:28:24,989
voice and the American voice says

696
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:27,749
something like terrible events have been

697
00:28:33,109 --> 00:28:30,089
happening in Europe German troops have

698
00:28:34,940 --> 00:28:33,119
just crossed the border of Poland so

699
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:34,950
that was of course the you know one of

700
00:28:40,639 --> 00:28:36,210
the turning point for World War two

701
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:40,649
where England and so he wanted to get

702
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:41,610
back to England so he

703
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:43,890
for the immigration officer and he

704
00:28:49,270 --> 00:28:45,450
wanted to get on another ship to get

705
00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:49,280
back to England and now they were in the

706
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:53,400
on the Malay Peninsula okay

707
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:55,410
and near Singapore okay this is a this

708
00:29:00,350 --> 00:28:56,970
is all under British control at that

709
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:00,360
time temporarily but go ahead yes yes

710
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:04,200
and well he much of the immigration

711
00:29:09,230 --> 00:29:07,170
officer he said uh sorry you're gonna

712
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:09,240
have to stay aboard the ship until the

713
00:29:14,419 --> 00:29:12,450
this emergency is over and you know God

714
00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:14,429
knows only knew how long that would be

715
00:29:20,780 --> 00:29:16,169
only the British are called worldwide to

716
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,790
an emergency so anyway this guy Peter

717
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:22,799
Horsley would not be kept down before

718
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,570
anybody on it on his ship to find out

719
00:29:30,020 --> 00:29:26,880
what the deal was that he was restricted

720
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,030
he requested permission to get on the t

721
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:33,120
SS Menelaus and so he got on there and

722
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:34,380
gotten on that ship headed back to

723
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:36,330
England before anybody knew that he was

724
00:29:39,620 --> 00:29:37,860
supposed to be restricted to the boat so

725
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:39,630
he was a crafty he was a craft oh yeah

726
00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:41,010
he was and that's that's just the

727
00:29:45,380 --> 00:29:43,620
beginning of it so he's on a Menelaus it

728
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:45,390
gets back to Britain and of course it's

729
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:47,010
uh it's lights out you know they're

730
00:29:51,230 --> 00:29:49,049
being bombed and so forth money pretty

731
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:51,240
nerve-wracking and then he finds out

732
00:29:56,659 --> 00:29:54,000
that the Merchant Navy has become a

733
00:29:58,220 --> 00:29:56,669
restricted occupation so they've told

734
00:30:01,070 --> 00:29:58,230
him that he would have to stay there for

735
00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:01,080
the duration of the war so he said well

736
00:30:06,770 --> 00:30:04,110
hell with that so he got a request [\h__\h]

737
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:06,780
for leave took off and didn't come back

738
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:09,929
he he just sorted the Merchant Navy yes

739
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:11,910
which which I thought it would be you

740
00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:13,710
know would just end his career but

741
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:16,380
apparently not the in reading his

742
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:18,710
autobiography the only thing that that

743
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:21,600
restricted him from he could not get

744
00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:23,490
into the British Navy because he'd done

745
00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:26,580
that but there was no restriction on him

746
00:30:31,820 --> 00:30:29,580
getting in the RAF so that I don't

747
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,830
understand but that's the way it was RAF

748
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:34,320
is the Royal Air Force the right so

749
00:30:38,060 --> 00:30:35,520
that's kind of what he wanted to do

750
00:30:39,770 --> 00:30:38,070
anyway so he was very very careful early

751
00:30:41,630 --> 00:30:39,780
in the Home Guard you know what that was

752
00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:41,640
oh yeah yeah yeah did you guys ever see

753
00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:44,940
dad's army there's a classic British

754
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,950
sitcom were that anyway oh wait no yeah

755
00:30:51,260 --> 00:30:48,720
some of our listeners will know about it

756
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:51,270
but anyway one one eat no no okay go

757
00:30:55,159 --> 00:30:53,090
ahead okay he became an air instructor

758
00:30:55,539 --> 00:30:55,169
he was all over the place for a while

759
00:30:57,369 --> 00:30:55,549
using

760
00:30:59,729 --> 00:30:57,379
training school Alberta Canada for a

761
00:31:03,279 --> 00:30:59,739
period of time came back to England and

762
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:03,289
he was in 21 squadron fly flying

763
00:31:06,489 --> 00:31:05,330
mosquitos okay yeah mmmm interesting

764
00:31:09,549 --> 00:31:06,499
here playing they're made olivewood

765
00:31:12,489 --> 00:31:09,559
they're the fastest airplane in World

766
00:31:13,899 --> 00:31:12,499
War two commander yes the mosquito they

767
00:31:16,930 --> 00:31:13,909
were made of wood Wow

768
00:31:19,149 --> 00:31:16,940
and they not all but a lot of it wood

769
00:31:22,539 --> 00:31:19,159
made it lighter two big engines on it

770
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:22,549
and the secret was the glue they they

771
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,279
yeah they had a secret yeah putting it

772
00:31:28,539 --> 00:31:27,440
together Germans for the entire five

773
00:31:29,619 --> 00:31:28,549
years trying to figure out how do they

774
00:31:32,649 --> 00:31:29,629
do this okay

775
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:32,659
they finally caught one not to step on

776
00:31:38,529 --> 00:31:35,090
your report ask me but no go ahead one

777
00:31:40,029 --> 00:31:38,539
of them crash the Germans took it apart

778
00:31:42,729 --> 00:31:40,039
and they say wow it's made of wood and

779
00:31:43,210 --> 00:31:42,739
it has this top-secret glue that's doing

780
00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:43,220
it you know

781
00:31:46,269 --> 00:31:44,840
now let's we'll make a bunch of them

782
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,279
because there's more forest in Germany

783
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:48,320
than there are in England and we'll have

784
00:31:53,169 --> 00:31:50,330
this whole enormous fleet are very fast

785
00:31:54,909 --> 00:31:53,179
flying so this one F about six months

786
00:31:58,810 --> 00:31:54,919
one night the RAF was bombing France

787
00:32:03,580 --> 00:31:58,820
bomb the round wrong town and bomb the

788
00:32:05,349 --> 00:32:03,590
glue factory fortuitous was that in its

789
00:32:06,999 --> 00:32:05,359
wisdom of you know bombing in the wrong

790
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:07,009
places which they have a history of they

791
00:32:10,299 --> 00:32:08,690
hit so many ways

792
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:10,309
you said mosquito and that's a brought

793
00:32:14,289 --> 00:32:11,570
about that's true but please continues

794
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:14,299
no okay well he he was uh he would be

795
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:16,369
sent on these night fighter intruder

796
00:32:20,289 --> 00:32:18,769
missions over Nazi Germany and the the

797
00:32:22,869 --> 00:32:20,299
purpose of the missions were to divert

798
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:22,879
the Germans away from you know attacking

799
00:32:27,159 --> 00:32:24,769
their main bombers so they were they

800
00:32:29,019 --> 00:32:27,169
were sort of like decoys and this was

801
00:32:31,690 --> 00:32:29,029
pretty pretty treacherous stuff because

802
00:32:33,609 --> 00:32:31,700
they had to fly a low-level they had to

803
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:33,619
navigate in the dark you know they had

804
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:35,809
to try to visually find various

805
00:32:39,580 --> 00:32:37,279
landmarks and we're trying to find of

806
00:32:41,889 --> 00:32:39,590
course German air strips without without

807
00:32:45,460 --> 00:32:41,899
hardly any lighting so forth so this is

808
00:32:48,729 --> 00:32:45,470
pretty pretty treacherous though so one

809
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:48,739
fateful night over the Cherbourg

810
00:32:54,970 --> 00:32:51,980
and insula Normandy mmm-hmm he gets shot

811
00:32:58,989 --> 00:32:54,980
down and he's on board with his

812
00:33:01,299 --> 00:32:58,999
navigator Frank Gunn and you know

813
00:33:03,549 --> 00:33:01,309
they're just chaos and so he's trying to

814
00:33:05,409 --> 00:33:03,559
get it situated where he can bail out

815
00:33:09,460 --> 00:33:05,419
and he's trying to help his navigator

816
00:33:13,270 --> 00:33:09,470
and it's you know pitch dark he

817
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,280
he hits the water mm-hmm it's tangled in

818
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:14,720
the parachute the whole thing he's got a

819
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:17,210
dinghy that's partially inflated excuse

820
00:33:25,330 --> 00:33:21,919
me what a dinghy okay my friend he says

821
00:33:28,049 --> 00:33:25,340
that's what I say pull it dig nice yeah

822
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:28,059
we might have to bleep that up exactly

823
00:33:37,870 --> 00:33:33,710
but anyway he he's got no food no water

824
00:33:40,690 --> 00:33:37,880
no fresh water and he's just you know

825
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:40,700
hoping for rescue so mbb know we'll be

826
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:42,049
getting rescued by the good guys before

827
00:33:46,810 --> 00:33:45,049
the bad guys show up mm-hmm so not too

828
00:33:49,659 --> 00:33:46,820
long after that he hears the roar of

829
00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:49,669
some airplanes and he wonders you know

830
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,230
messersmith's or Spitfires

831
00:33:55,630 --> 00:33:53,840
and then they were Spitfires mmm so do

832
00:33:58,930 --> 00:33:55,640
you think oh I'm home free the british

833
00:34:00,909 --> 00:33:58,940
british airplanes right right that were

834
00:34:03,370 --> 00:34:00,919
pretty instrumental in beating the

835
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:03,380
beating back the nazis yes of course but

836
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:07,250
anyway he nothing happened and it turned

837
00:34:11,409 --> 00:34:09,649
out if he found out later on much later

838
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:11,419
on after he was rescued that those

839
00:34:15,310 --> 00:34:13,609
Spitfires never returned so they did

840
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:15,320
spot him they saw his position

841
00:34:20,169 --> 00:34:17,210
apparently but they never made it back

842
00:34:21,609 --> 00:34:20,179
well so three days go by

843
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:21,619
he's um you know he's in his dinghy out

844
00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:23,570
in the ocean

845
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:25,730
he's in it's some really rough weather

846
00:34:28,540 --> 00:34:27,169
too I mean he gets thrown out of this

847
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:28,550
thing several times just to climb back

848
00:34:33,250 --> 00:34:31,310
in he's exhausted well and then toward

849
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:33,260
the end of this ordeal all of a sudden

850
00:34:38,260 --> 00:34:35,570
he it's almost like he's having an

851
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:38,270
out-of-body experience he everything

852
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:40,129
becomes very quiet and he's very

853
00:34:44,919 --> 00:34:42,560
peaceful he looks over and sees a man

854
00:34:46,750 --> 00:34:44,929
named Trevor wood which is fine except

855
00:34:48,579 --> 00:34:46,760
Trevor died six months earlier

856
00:34:50,530 --> 00:34:48,589
and then he looks over and he sees his

857
00:34:53,290 --> 00:34:50,540
navigator Frank Gunn who apparently

858
00:34:55,540 --> 00:34:53,300
didn't make it either hmm but shortly

859
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:55,550
after that he was rescued he was barely

860
00:35:00,000 --> 00:34:56,450
conscious

861
00:35:02,770 --> 00:35:00,010
took took a while to recuperate but

862
00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:02,780
anyway was you know quite a quite an

863
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:05,420
experience right can I just remind it

864
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:06,560
when you listening to Mike Malone he's

865
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:08,930
motor exile show here on the public

866
00:35:13,180 --> 00:35:10,130
stream network we're talking with

867
00:35:16,030 --> 00:35:13,190
switchblade see what about wind

868
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:16,040
commander hoarsely his name was Lee

869
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:17,359
what's this first name is probably like

870
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,210
Peter no Peter right Jesus something but

871
00:35:23,340 --> 00:35:22,400
okay please and so at some point at some

872
00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:23,350
point he's gonna meet some

873
00:35:26,490 --> 00:35:24,790
UFOs is that right well that's right

874
00:35:29,010 --> 00:35:26,500
this is where the plot thickens okay now

875
00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:29,020
he becomes a I think the word is equally

876
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:31,990
to Prince Philip part of Prince Philip's

877
00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:34,690
entourage okay which is we know pretty

878
00:35:40,350 --> 00:35:37,990
pretty powerful position yes now this is

879
00:35:42,450 --> 00:35:40,360
about this is early 1950s so you

880
00:35:44,010 --> 00:35:42,460
survived the war and you know he did

881
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:44,020
whatever and then he became that's the

882
00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:46,510
Prince Philip exactly who is the husband

883
00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:52,030
of the Queen is that correct okay okay

884
00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:55,270
yeah and is that right way with is that

885
00:35:59,550 --> 00:35:58,570
confirmation all right okay all right

886
00:36:00,840 --> 00:35:59,560
right exactly

887
00:36:03,380 --> 00:36:00,850
now they say about the Queen if that's

888
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:03,390
the Queen what's the witch look like

889
00:36:08,970 --> 00:36:06,970
what okay please continue okay I'm

890
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:08,980
looking for my snare drum and I can't

891
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:11,710
find it our British listeners I

892
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:14,050
apologize on behalf of one wanting man

893
00:36:17,490 --> 00:36:15,910
to Cobra yeah we had nothing don't you

894
00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:17,500
do that at the end of the show and you

895
00:36:19,890 --> 00:36:18,430
know okay

896
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:19,900
everything will be included but they

897
00:36:26,970 --> 00:36:23,110
have please please do okay so moving

898
00:36:28,590 --> 00:36:26,980
right along he was a Peter Horsley mr.

899
00:36:30,750 --> 00:36:28,600
Peter Horsley became was fascinated by

900
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,760
UFOs this is early 1950s of course

901
00:36:35,070 --> 00:36:32,800
Kenneth Arnold sighting 1947 and the

902
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:35,080
thing is that he was finding there were

903
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:36,970
a lot of credible reports that were

904
00:36:41,490 --> 00:36:39,520
coming from Airmen like himself you know

905
00:36:43,050 --> 00:36:41,500
so I mean he had that experience

906
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:43,060
he knows how these people were trained

907
00:36:47,490 --> 00:36:45,250
and you know he knows that they're

908
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:47,500
people they should be listened to

909
00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:49,210
there's also another Sir Frederick

910
00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:52,630
browning was another oh yeah it was a

911
00:36:57,570 --> 00:36:54,550
very famous test pilot over there and

912
00:36:59,160 --> 00:36:57,580
right they were they really bonded

913
00:37:00,990 --> 00:36:59,170
because of their uh their flight

914
00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:01,000
experience and he was also very

915
00:37:05,790 --> 00:37:03,940
interested in the flying saucers Horsley

916
00:37:08,490 --> 00:37:05,800
had a very objective approach he was

917
00:37:11,550 --> 00:37:08,500
very interested very level-headed at one

918
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:11,560
point he actually met George Adamski who

919
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:17,050
was the famous UFO contactee supposedly

920
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:18,850
that meta Phoenician in the California

921
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:22,210
desert and along with Desmond Leslie who

922
00:37:26,670 --> 00:37:24,400
was a jam squeeze co-author Leslie was

923
00:37:28,050 --> 00:37:26,680
jasmine Leslie was a brick and he

924
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:28,060
thought

925
00:37:33,060 --> 00:37:30,130
Adamski was a Charlotte and then Leslie

926
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:33,070
was gullible so he was not Horsley was

927
00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:35,650
certainly not just open to any kind of

928
00:37:38,370 --> 00:37:36,760
report right Chuck

929
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:38,380
but he did I guess he did investigate

930
00:37:44,730 --> 00:37:42,330
the gander UFO incident oh right

931
00:37:46,380 --> 00:37:44,740
fantastic girl radar visual yeah real

932
00:37:48,510 --> 00:37:46,390
quickly yeah I mean that was a bunch of

933
00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:48,520
a it was a military airplane returning

934
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:49,990
from Europe coming to the United States

935
00:37:55,740 --> 00:37:53,710
off ganda it was actually full of pilots

936
00:37:59,040 --> 00:37:55,750
this this particular airplane right way

937
00:38:00,510 --> 00:37:59,050
home only and this enormous UFO came

938
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:00,520
right up out of the sea and through

939
00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:02,110
parallel with it for about a minute and

940
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:04,420
then took off everyone on the plane was

941
00:38:08,670 --> 00:38:06,370
debriefed and then at the very end of

942
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:08,680
the debriefing one of the pilots was

943
00:38:13,830 --> 00:38:12,310
shown a photo album and of all different

944
00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:13,840
kinds of UFOs and he says please tell us

945
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:15,430
which one you saw her and there it was

946
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:17,170
and he said that one and they get up and

947
00:38:24,030 --> 00:38:21,010
they left one of the best UFO sighting

948
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:24,040
incidents right multiple witnesses and

949
00:38:30,570 --> 00:38:27,310
radar visual confirmation on the ground

950
00:38:32,970 --> 00:38:30,580
right right so so what did was he active

951
00:38:35,070 --> 00:38:32,980
like in any UFO organization over in

952
00:38:37,710 --> 00:38:35,080
England it was you know it was kind of

953
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:37,720
quiet Prince Philip was was all for it

954
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:40,330
except he wanted to keep you know an

955
00:38:46,350 --> 00:38:43,810
arm's length from it sure but he well

956
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:46,360
for example there was a Sir Arthur

957
00:38:50,970 --> 00:38:48,910
Barrett who introduced him to another

958
00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:50,980
interesting figure at General margin

959
00:38:57,210 --> 00:38:54,760
okay General Martin was very very much

960
00:38:58,260 --> 00:38:57,220
in et and so forth well this this is

961
00:39:01,170 --> 00:38:58,270
where it gets weird

962
00:39:03,060 --> 00:39:01,180
Martin arranged for Peter Horsley to

963
00:39:05,970 --> 00:39:03,070
meet a mrs. Markham at her

964
00:39:08,340 --> 00:39:05,980
Chelsea flat it had some she had some

965
00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:08,350
information on UFOs or whatever okay

966
00:39:12,090 --> 00:39:09,640
so there he goes in there he meets a

967
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:12,100
very strange individual named mr. Janus

968
00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:15,130
hmm it's in a dark room he doesn't never

969
00:39:19,950 --> 00:39:16,990
get so he says a very good impression of

970
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,960
Janus and gets a look it's a very dimly

971
00:39:25,580 --> 00:39:21,760
lit it's just kind of an odd situation

972
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:25,590
and they're talking and this Janus is

973
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:29,530
he's he speaks very definitively as if

974
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:33,180
he has all this information on UFOs yes

975
00:39:39,060 --> 00:39:35,410
he says what they definitely look like

976
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:39,070
us they're they're exploring the outer

977
00:39:43,110 --> 00:39:41,290
reaches of their galaxy most of their

978
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:43,120
vehicles are robot control this is not

979
00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:45,250
he's not speaking as if he's speculating

980
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:47,080
it's almost as if somehow he knows this

981
00:39:50,670 --> 00:39:49,090
okay and the thing that unnerved horsley

982
00:39:52,319 --> 00:39:50,680
a little bit is that this guy

983
00:39:54,299 --> 00:39:52,329
almost seems to be able to read his mind

984
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:54,309
he's anticipating the things that he's

985
00:39:58,890 --> 00:39:56,529
thinking and responding to them ahead of

986
00:39:59,970 --> 00:39:58,900
time now it could be that somebody's you

987
00:40:01,380 --> 00:39:59,980
know sometimes people are just very

988
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:01,390
skilled at reading people

989
00:40:07,499 --> 00:40:04,720
but Horsley just got a really really odd

990
00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:07,509
impression of this guy and you know

991
00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:09,700
thought maybe maybe there was something

992
00:40:13,739 --> 00:40:11,380
to it I mean he really he really had the

993
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:13,749
impression that this this mr. Janus may

994
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:16,480
actually be otherworldly but he didn't

995
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,650
make that he didn't jump to that

996
00:40:22,319 --> 00:40:19,119
conclusion because he was you know

997
00:40:28,799 --> 00:40:22,329
pretty pretty grounded so he was a vice

998
00:40:29,730 --> 00:40:28,809
what was that Rosalie's rank being a

999
00:40:33,089 --> 00:40:29,740
Wing Commander

1000
00:40:34,859 --> 00:40:33,099
I'm not vice Aramark vice Air Vice

1001
00:40:37,140 --> 00:40:34,869
Marshal okay now I just have to throw

1002
00:40:42,749 --> 00:40:37,150
this to the commander that's very very

1003
00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:42,759
high up in Atlantic alright show a vice

1004
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:45,220
Air Marshal in the RAF okay so this

1005
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:54,180
Admirals our general so this is someone

1006
00:40:58,589 --> 00:40:56,319
at the lake at the Pentagon Juan Juan

1007
00:40:59,940 --> 00:40:58,599
who is deeply into going around and

1008
00:41:07,999 --> 00:40:59,950
meeting all these people who you know

1009
00:41:13,859 --> 00:41:11,130
okay we gonna get three microphones in

1010
00:41:15,630 --> 00:41:13,869
this friggin so anyway this is some guy

1011
00:41:18,269 --> 00:41:15,640
who is going around he's not just some

1012
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:18,279
chump you know he knows his stuff and

1013
00:41:23,220 --> 00:41:21,249
also you you have to realize too that

1014
00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:23,230
the protocol of these things is is that

1015
00:41:26,999 --> 00:41:25,150
just like it is over in this country if

1016
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:27,009
you get caught you know talking about

1017
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:28,450
UFOs and stuff like that it doesn't do

1018
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:32,650
you yeah okay so please continue switch

1019
00:41:39,329 --> 00:41:36,730
okay so he he leaves us this meeting

1020
00:41:41,279 --> 00:41:39,339
very kind of a just unnerved didn't know

1021
00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:41,289
really how to process it he goes back

1022
00:41:45,509 --> 00:41:43,380
and makes a full report to his superiors

1023
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,519
browning is really interested in this he

1024
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:47,680
wants to he wants to go back and

1025
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:48,910
interview this guy he wants to get ahold

1026
00:41:56,940 --> 00:41:53,529
as mr. Janus again so hoarsely tries to

1027
00:41:59,249 --> 00:41:56,950
get ahold of this General Martin again

1028
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,259
but all of a sudden General Martin has

1029
00:42:02,579 --> 00:42:00,880
become very aloof and very hard to get a

1030
00:42:04,580 --> 00:42:02,589
hold of so I say well the heck with it

1031
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:04,590
he'll call he'll call this woman

1032
00:42:09,380 --> 00:42:07,410
apartment can't get an answer no matter

1033
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:09,390
what he does so finally in desperation

1034
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:11,730
he goes back to her flat and it's

1035
00:42:14,780 --> 00:42:13,530
completely empty that's the old type

1036
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:14,790
waiting everybody there yeah it's a

1037
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:18,570
classic and so you know he he was very

1038
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:19,770
like again he was very level-headed

1039
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:22,010
about it he thought well maybe you know

1040
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:24,420
maybe it was staged maybe it was set up

1041
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:26,760
somehow but then you ask why why would

1042
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,240
anybody do this hmm so what what if was

1043
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:32,160
the most important piece of information

1044
00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:36,570
that this Janus character gave just that

1045
00:42:43,220 --> 00:42:40,980
the they were you know intelligent

1046
00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:43,230
inhabitants of a planet he said that

1047
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:45,660
they were simply exploring as he put it

1048
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:47,820
the outer islands of their galaxy mm-hm

1049
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,730
and they had most of their vehicles were

1050
00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:52,800
were actually a robot controlled not

1051
00:42:57,770 --> 00:42:56,310
necessarily a manned and that you know

1052
00:42:59,840 --> 00:42:57,780
that was pretty much it that they were

1053
00:43:01,840 --> 00:42:59,850
this was a real event they were

1054
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:01,850
extraterrestrial and that they were

1055
00:43:06,140 --> 00:43:04,050
observing us and they looked like us

1056
00:43:08,330 --> 00:43:06,150
that's what the impression yeah he

1057
00:43:09,650 --> 00:43:08,340
didn't he didn't really say specifically

1058
00:43:13,940 --> 00:43:09,660
but that's the impression he's left with

1059
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:13,950
it was they were very similar to us they

1060
00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:18,180
talked English apparently either that or

1061
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:21,480
mr. Janus could speak their language so

1062
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:22,560
what did Horsley do with this

1063
00:43:25,490 --> 00:43:23,970
information I mean he went back and told

1064
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:25,500
his friends but did he ever write a book

1065
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:27,480
or anything about it the first he

1066
00:43:31,490 --> 00:43:28,920
actually didn't release it until he

1067
00:43:32,810 --> 00:43:31,500
wrote this autobiography which I came

1068
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,820
out I think about originally about in

1069
00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:35,040
the 70s so he was he kept completely

1070
00:43:39,620 --> 00:43:36,300
quiet about this for decades

1071
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:39,630
Wow so someone of his caliber it must

1072
00:43:42,830 --> 00:43:41,370
have made an impression yeah to make an

1073
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:42,840
impression on someone his caliber I

1074
00:43:48,830 --> 00:43:46,250
should say it must been eerie or

1075
00:43:50,780 --> 00:43:48,840
striking him is that this wasn't some

1076
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:50,790
kind of weird situation then it turns

1077
00:43:56,020 --> 00:43:53,910
out to be a weird situation yeah even if

1078
00:43:58,970 --> 00:43:56,030
this was some kind of a staged event

1079
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,980
this guy really seemed to have some kind

1080
00:44:02,810 --> 00:44:00,720
of a I don't know if I want to say

1081
00:44:05,570 --> 00:44:02,820
charisma but some you know he was really

1082
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:05,580
right on from what Horsley was thinking

1083
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:07,140
and responding kind of ahead of time

1084
00:44:14,609 --> 00:44:09,810
before he even spoke to what he was

1085
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:14,619
thinking yeah that's one

1086
00:44:23,339 --> 00:44:20,529
I would say yeah it's and so this guy is

1087
00:44:26,489 --> 00:44:23,349
he's long since departed the earth

1088
00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:26,499
assuming yes yes he but actually I did

1089
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:30,460
early I think about 2001 and Prince

1090
00:44:34,289 --> 00:44:32,410
Philip the commander has told me Prince

1091
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:34,299
Philip was individual he's still around

1092
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:37,119
he was very interested in UFOs sure at

1093
00:44:44,819 --> 00:44:42,160
some point yes apparently he was like I

1094
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:44,829
say he he didn't want to he didn't want

1095
00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:47,410
it known I guess because of the possibly

1096
00:44:53,309 --> 00:44:50,230
the ridicule factor but this was early

1097
00:44:56,220 --> 00:44:53,319
on in the in some of the some of these

1098
00:44:57,509 --> 00:44:56,230
reports so it wasn't it didn't I don't

1099
00:44:59,789 --> 00:44:57,519
think it had quite the giggle factor

1100
00:45:01,380 --> 00:44:59,799
that it does now right we I think we

1101
00:45:04,349 --> 00:45:01,390
talked about this last week but yeah you

1102
00:45:07,289 --> 00:45:04,359
know someone had shown Winston Churchill

1103
00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:07,299
a photograph of a UFO that was taken by

1104
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:09,849
a plane in 1943 by a British

1105
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:11,410
reconnaissance plane and there's

1106
00:45:15,749 --> 00:45:12,640
supposedly one of the most detailed

1107
00:45:18,450 --> 00:45:15,759
pictures of a UFO that you know was ever

1108
00:45:19,950 --> 00:45:18,460
in our possession he told the British

1109
00:45:21,779 --> 00:45:19,960
intelligence service to keep it under

1110
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:21,789
wraps for 50 years because he thought

1111
00:45:26,749 --> 00:45:24,130
that religion would be our religion on

1112
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:26,759
the planet would be lets say destroyed

1113
00:45:31,140 --> 00:45:29,049
because people would start asking

1114
00:45:32,759 --> 00:45:31,150
questions well you know if there were

1115
00:45:34,589 --> 00:45:32,769
people on other planets who saved them

1116
00:45:35,779 --> 00:45:34,599
you know do they have original sin do

1117
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,789
they have religion stuff like that

1118
00:45:40,229 --> 00:45:37,359
instead the British intelligence

1119
00:45:42,779 --> 00:45:40,239
actually destroyed the photo so I know

1120
00:45:46,099 --> 00:45:42,789
and you can give the British credit they

1121
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:46,109
do put out a lot of their UFO

1122
00:45:50,759 --> 00:45:47,920
documentation things that they've

1123
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,769
studies that they've done sightings that

1124
00:45:54,210 --> 00:45:52,960
British military pilots have made nigh

1125
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:54,220
States keeps all that stuff secret

1126
00:46:01,259 --> 00:45:57,249
British actually release it on you know

1127
00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:01,269
a fairly regular basis and Peter Horsley

1128
00:46:06,269 --> 00:46:03,849
was in a way he was sort of a contact II

1129
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:06,279
you know as opposed to say a buck G yeah

1130
00:46:08,910 --> 00:46:06,970
right sure

1131
00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:08,920
yeah and it's quite a contrast to some

1132
00:46:14,009 --> 00:46:11,710
of the we won't have time tonight but

1133
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:14,019
some of the you know early American

1134
00:46:17,489 --> 00:46:15,730
contact days of the 50s like we've

1135
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:17,499
mentioned George Adamson right sure yeah

1136
00:46:24,269 --> 00:46:21,609
yeah situation very really there's some

1137
00:46:27,569 --> 00:46:24,279
one way up the food chain you know like

1138
00:46:29,940 --> 00:46:27,579
the RAF becomes interested in this stuff

1139
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:29,950
Amandla well I think the most impressive

1140
00:46:36,449 --> 00:46:33,640
part of this is the body of the record

1141
00:46:39,209 --> 00:46:36,459
that he has put forward on this and once

1142
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:39,219
again tying into some of machs previous

1143
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:41,049
writings it always seems that this seems

1144
00:46:46,589 --> 00:46:43,599
to reach a peak when we have a major

1145
00:46:49,709 --> 00:46:46,599
conflict going on these events always

1146
00:46:50,910 --> 00:46:49,719
seem to come up Switchblade I wanted to

1147
00:46:52,949 --> 00:46:50,920
bring to your attention the night that

1148
00:46:55,410 --> 00:46:52,959
we're taping the show here this is the

1149
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:55,420
anniversary the 54th anniversary of

1150
00:47:00,749 --> 00:46:56,890
scott Carpenter in the mercury program

1151
00:47:02,009 --> 00:47:00,759
on orbit and I was you know getting

1152
00:47:06,049 --> 00:47:02,019
ready for the show tonight and doing a

1153
00:47:09,329 --> 00:47:06,059
little looking around and he he saw

1154
00:47:13,140 --> 00:47:09,339
fireflies and claimed to have seen a

1155
00:47:14,940 --> 00:47:13,150
saucer type vehicle outside his capsule

1156
00:47:16,739 --> 00:47:14,950
at one point now they did

1157
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:16,749
jettison a balloon which was later

1158
00:47:21,499 --> 00:47:19,599
attributed to being the device and they

1159
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:21,509
said you know that the curvature of the

1160
00:47:26,099 --> 00:47:24,910
window on the capsule and the the it was

1161
00:47:27,690 --> 00:47:26,109
dirty and all that kind of stuff but

1162
00:47:28,979 --> 00:47:27,700
he'd got me looking into some stuff and

1163
00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:28,989
I think it's something I'd like to get

1164
00:47:33,630 --> 00:47:30,329
your attention

1165
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:33,640
astronauts and UFOs especially the ones

1166
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:36,910
in orbit it seems there is a you know

1167
00:47:41,759 --> 00:47:39,130
god bless you tube there's so much stuff

1168
00:47:43,529 --> 00:47:41,769
on there of people's archives that have

1169
00:47:45,779 --> 00:47:43,539
just gone or people just go direct to it

1170
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:45,789
as to leave a record behind but on the

1171
00:47:48,930 --> 00:47:47,680
54th anniversary of scott Carpenter

1172
00:47:50,729 --> 00:47:48,940
mercury program I thought was pretty

1173
00:47:52,859 --> 00:47:50,739
interesting to bring that up and ask you

1174
00:47:55,769 --> 00:47:52,869
to put that into your your basket you're

1175
00:47:58,319 --> 00:47:55,779
in basket of looking into things oh yeah

1176
00:48:00,420 --> 00:47:58,329
there's a lot of I do have some sources

1177
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:00,430
I can go to where I have read over the

1178
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:02,529
years a lot of accounts from some of the

1179
00:48:05,759 --> 00:48:04,209
astronauts that have seen some pretty

1180
00:48:08,130 --> 00:48:05,769
inexplicable things out there

1181
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:08,140
and NASA definitely is an organization

1182
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:10,890
that wants to lowball anything like that

1183
00:48:17,249 --> 00:48:14,890
yes now you said you told me I feel

1184
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,259
you're going to a UFO conference soon

1185
00:48:20,939 --> 00:48:19,119
well actually it's they called e it's

1186
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:20,949
the creature weekend yeah Salt Fork

1187
00:48:25,529 --> 00:48:24,130
State Park it's almost like the Bigfoot

1188
00:48:26,729 --> 00:48:25,539
conference that they have there every

1189
00:48:29,009 --> 00:48:26,739
year and again in a couple of weeks

1190
00:48:30,209 --> 00:48:29,019
there and they one of the key speakers

1191
00:48:34,589 --> 00:48:30,219
there was going to be a Ron Morehead

1192
00:48:38,249 --> 00:48:34,599
which is he's really a huge figure in

1193
00:48:40,769 --> 00:48:38,259
the Bigfoot community very interesting

1194
00:48:41,490 --> 00:48:40,779
guy and he's the one that went out with

1195
00:48:43,860 --> 00:48:41,500
a group of people

1196
00:48:45,660 --> 00:48:43,870
into the Sierra Nevadas in California

1197
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:45,670
yes and got what they call the Sierra

1198
00:48:52,350 --> 00:48:48,970
sounds it's incredible sounds of Bigfoot

1199
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:52,360
which seem to be authentic Wow what's

1200
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:54,610
the name of the show that's on looking

1201
00:48:58,560 --> 00:48:56,110
for Bigfoot well there's there's a

1202
00:48:59,850 --> 00:48:58,570
Finding Bigfoot my neighbors mountain

1203
00:49:01,650 --> 00:48:59,860
monsters okay

1204
00:49:03,870 --> 00:49:01,660
finding books Bigfoot a few weeks ago

1205
00:49:06,930 --> 00:49:03,880
they left a meatball sub out for the

1206
00:49:11,580 --> 00:49:06,940
Bigfoot did you see that I I think so I

1207
00:49:12,570 --> 00:49:11,590
mean they would leave some subway you

1208
00:49:15,330 --> 00:49:12,580
know they should have probably had a

1209
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:15,340
nice little tie-in or something but they

1210
00:49:18,780 --> 00:49:17,650
leave they steadily being oranges and

1211
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:18,790
apples and all this kind of stuff

1212
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:21,370
nothing and so then one of the guys said

1213
00:49:25,620 --> 00:49:23,530
well you know and nothing was taken

1214
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:25,630
the next morning right she says why

1215
00:49:29,970 --> 00:49:28,450
don't we leave some human food some junk

1216
00:49:31,740 --> 00:49:29,980
food out this and then left the

1217
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:31,750
meatballs sobbing I guess it was gone in

1218
00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:34,450
the morning well so you know we know

1219
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:37,150
what Bigfoot is into Switchblade Steve

1220
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,130
Ward thank you very much thanks to us

1221
00:49:42,450 --> 00:49:40,960
out there in Battle Creek Michigan thank

1222
00:49:43,740 --> 00:49:42,460
you Steve and we're gonna go for a

1223
00:49:45,260 --> 00:49:43,750
commercial break now commander do you

1224
00:49:48,690 --> 00:49:45,270
have anything to say before commercials

1225
00:49:50,010 --> 00:49:48,700
one nope okay we're gonna take martial

1226
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:50,020
break now and we'll be right back after

1227
00:49:52,830 --> 00:49:51,370
this year listening to Mac Maloney's

1228
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:52,840
military exercise show here on the

1229
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,010
welcome back everyone to Mac Maloney's

1230
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:01,200
military style show here on the public

1231
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:03,910
streaming network that's made money in

1232
00:50:08,490 --> 00:50:06,640
the studio with us tonight is the very

1233
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:08,500
famous Juan Juan and also commander

1234
00:50:13,620 --> 00:50:12,160
Cobra and I should say that if things go

1235
00:50:18,090 --> 00:50:13,630
the way that they're supposed to go this

1236
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:18,100
will be our last show on PSN exclusively

1237
00:50:21,570 --> 00:50:20,050
well not really supposedly because of

1238
00:50:23,370 --> 00:50:21,580
two weeks if everything goes all right

1239
00:50:26,460 --> 00:50:23,380
we're going to be broadcasting to you on

1240
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:26,470
the distant thunder radio network very

1241
00:50:32,220 --> 00:50:29,650
excited about that and I suppose this is

1242
00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:32,230
time that I should tell everyone that we

1243
00:50:35,610 --> 00:50:33,790
a broadcast on the public streaming

1244
00:50:39,090 --> 00:50:35,620
their work but also doc Matt a digital

1245
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:39,100
network we are syndicated by radioactive

1246
00:50:41,940 --> 00:50:40,690
broadcasting in sunny San Diego

1247
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:41,950
California for the Military Appreciation

1248
00:50:47,930 --> 00:50:45,330
Channel and armed forces radio network I

1249
00:50:49,830 --> 00:50:47,940
hats off to everybody and I salute

1250
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:49,840
veterans and current service members

1251
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:53,490
listening in thank you for what you do

1252
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:56,010
so on the phone with us tonight he has

1253
00:51:00,740 --> 00:50:57,930
survived at another week in the murder

1254
00:51:02,450 --> 00:51:00,750
capital of the u.s. Dallas it's Rob Beck

1255
00:51:04,490 --> 00:51:02,460
housing of Juarez boring how you doing

1256
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:04,500
there tonight Rob hey I'm staying safe

1257
00:51:09,470 --> 00:51:07,130
how are they safe okay that's good and

1258
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,480
have you been to the gun range since we

1259
00:51:14,180 --> 00:51:12,000
last time no I haven't been in a while

1260
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:14,190
oh wow okay remember we're sending you

1261
00:51:17,570 --> 00:51:15,810
out there with a GoPro to see if you can

1262
00:51:20,030 --> 00:51:17,580
pick up fix at the gun range it's a very

1263
00:51:25,010 --> 00:51:20,040
very important experiment we're gonna do

1264
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:25,020
you say you can't I say you can well I

1265
00:51:28,550 --> 00:51:26,160
said you know they're there with their

1266
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:28,560
boyfriend so and you have a gun so is

1267
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,570
the commando do you think its head are

1268
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:33,119
easy to pick up a girl with a gun range

1269
00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:36,000
I think it's easy I do too I do too 1:1

1270
00:51:40,940 --> 00:51:38,760
it's also giving me a nod yes yep I

1271
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:40,950
think it's easy to rob you just need to

1272
00:51:45,380 --> 00:51:43,170
have a little faith in yourself and hit

1273
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,390
the target that's all all the way better

1274
00:51:49,700 --> 00:51:47,520
shot than me nothing wrong with that

1275
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,710
either it's good to be told how to

1276
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,359
vector in that round that's right if

1277
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:52,800
they're shooting at you that means that

1278
00:51:58,329 --> 00:51:55,770
they are thinking about you anyway so

1279
00:52:01,280 --> 00:51:58,339
listen tonight we have a special a

1280
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,290
marrying of operations distant Thunder

1281
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,880
and war is very poor

1282
00:52:09,470 --> 00:52:04,880
we're gonna talk about this airplane

1283
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,480
well the f-35 and it's it's being built

1284
00:52:13,310 --> 00:52:11,520
actually it's being built now there's

1285
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,320
some of them that are flying around I

1286
00:52:16,970 --> 00:52:15,359
don't think it's is it officially

1287
00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:16,980
operational yet I don't think so is it

1288
00:52:22,550 --> 00:52:20,520
Rob it varies so the Marine Corps has

1289
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:22,560
declared initial operating capability

1290
00:52:28,460 --> 00:52:26,640
right there so it is technically but it

1291
00:52:29,930 --> 00:52:28,470
also there's a debate about that so you

1292
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:29,940
know is it actually combat ready and

1293
00:52:35,570 --> 00:52:33,660
right not we make might need to describe

1294
00:52:38,510 --> 00:52:35,580
the f-35 okay I think a lot of our

1295
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:38,520
listeners will be familiar with it but

1296
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:41,849
mmm so I could give it a go okay we

1297
00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:42,720
should just say that it's a very

1298
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:45,000
controversial airplane because first of

1299
00:52:49,609 --> 00:52:46,290
all it costs a lot of money and the

1300
00:52:52,310 --> 00:52:49,619
initial reports you know about how it

1301
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:52,320
performs and things of that nature have

1302
00:52:56,690 --> 00:52:54,810
not been too good at least in the

1303
00:52:57,859 --> 00:52:56,700
mainstream media so what we're gonna do

1304
00:52:59,630 --> 00:52:57,869
today we just can talk about this

1305
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,640
airplane it's it's interesting for

1306
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:01,200
people nobody uh planes but also if you

1307
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:03,330
don't know about you know jet fighters

1308
00:53:06,890 --> 00:53:05,010
and so on I mean it's an interesting

1309
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,900
story how this airplane

1310
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,119
came to be and the commander is also

1311
00:53:14,059 --> 00:53:12,000
going to weigh in on it so uh Rob yes

1312
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:14,069
please just describe to the listeners

1313
00:53:18,980 --> 00:53:16,410
what the f-35 looks like what it's

1314
00:53:20,329 --> 00:53:18,990
supposed to do right so and yeah real

1315
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:20,339
fast on your point

1316
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:23,210
the f-35 does has broke it into the

1317
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:25,890
popular consciousness in a way that a

1318
00:53:32,329 --> 00:53:28,319
lot of military you know high tech

1319
00:53:39,019 --> 00:53:32,339
projects don't so but yeah so the f-35

1320
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:39,029
is the military's attempt to replace the

1321
00:53:46,670 --> 00:53:43,440
f16 the a-10 warthog the f-18 and the

1322
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:46,680
Harrier jets with a single hyper

1323
00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:50,970
advanced stealth fighter and it be used

1324
00:53:54,799 --> 00:53:52,740
by the Air Force the Navy and the

1325
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,809
Marines and so it would have parts in

1326
00:54:00,260 --> 00:53:57,359
common with you know some modifications

1327
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:00,270
between each branch so it's a it's a

1328
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,559
it's a air combat fighter they'll be

1329
00:54:08,510 --> 00:54:06,480
able to take off and land vertically for

1330
00:54:10,279 --> 00:54:08,520
the Marines the Marine version of the

1331
00:54:13,069 --> 00:54:10,289
plane which is very important for the

1332
00:54:15,799 --> 00:54:13,079
Marine Corps I would take off and land

1333
00:54:18,260 --> 00:54:15,809
from aircraft carriers for the Navy and

1334
00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:18,270
you'd also have a conventional runway

1335
00:54:24,410 --> 00:54:22,500
version for the Air Force so now if you

1336
00:54:26,269 --> 00:54:24,420
think of the f-16 and the a-10 and the

1337
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:26,279
f-18 you know I've don't need to

1338
00:54:30,109 --> 00:54:28,200
describe in detail all of these aircraft

1339
00:54:32,210 --> 00:54:30,119
but these are very different airplanes

1340
00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:32,220
that have generally with different

1341
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:34,950
missions and different designs

1342
00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:38,490
the f-35 combines all of these into an

1343
00:54:42,620 --> 00:54:40,380
air superiority fighter a bomber or

1344
00:54:45,319 --> 00:54:42,630
close air support plane capable of

1345
00:54:48,279 --> 00:54:45,329
electronic warfare all of the above the

1346
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:48,289
plan is for the f-35 to do it all and

1347
00:54:53,660 --> 00:54:50,609
have all these sophisticated bells and

1348
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:53,670
whistles tricked-out radar to give it a

1349
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:57,450
technological edge over everyone so

1350
00:55:02,349 --> 00:54:58,799
we're gonna build the United States will

1351
00:55:04,910 --> 00:55:02,359
build two and a half thousand of them

1352
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,920
for just for the US military a bunch of

1353
00:55:08,539 --> 00:55:06,960
other countries are buying them they

1354
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:08,549
will last through the twenty seventies

1355
00:55:11,980 --> 00:55:10,529
and a Lockheed Martin is making it so

1356
00:55:15,740 --> 00:55:11,990
that that's that's my objective

1357
00:55:18,319 --> 00:55:15,750
journalistic you know neutral take on it

1358
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:18,329
now I write edit for website called Wars

1359
00:55:21,319 --> 00:55:19,920
boring and we're very critical at the

1360
00:55:24,980 --> 00:55:21,329
f-35

1361
00:55:27,799 --> 00:55:24,990
we don't think it's a very good idea we

1362
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:27,809
think it actually that's under states

1363
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,210
that we think it's a it's a disaster in

1364
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:32,640
engineering why is design-wise so robbed

1365
00:55:35,809 --> 00:55:34,200
if I can interrupt you you think the

1366
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:35,819
name should not be lightning - for the

1367
00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:40,079
f-35 it should be Titanic - it would be

1368
00:55:47,930 --> 00:55:44,220
yeah I it's as if the Titanic you know

1369
00:55:50,930 --> 00:55:47,940
we the most engineered ship to set sail

1370
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:50,940
that had a unbelievable disaster on its

1371
00:55:56,089 --> 00:55:54,240
maiden voyage building Titanic's and

1372
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,099
kept sailing them into icebergs over and

1373
00:56:00,730 --> 00:55:58,559
over again that that might come close to

1374
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:00,740
it so I should probably talk about why

1375
00:56:08,210 --> 00:56:05,760
why I think it's a bad idea so so the

1376
00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:08,220
design of the aircraft when we talk

1377
00:56:12,349 --> 00:56:10,710
about the the these four different

1378
00:56:16,430 --> 00:56:12,359
aircraft like that it's replacing the

1379
00:56:18,140 --> 00:56:16,440
f16 the a-10 the f-18 the Harrier these

1380
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:18,150
are designed differently because they're

1381
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:21,390
optimized for different missions now

1382
00:56:25,490 --> 00:56:22,410
when you combine these different

1383
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:25,500
missions and you you know into a single

1384
00:56:31,009 --> 00:56:28,559
airplane you have to make trade-offs and

1385
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:31,019
you have to any compromises absolutely

1386
00:56:37,490 --> 00:56:34,650
so for example the marine version of the

1387
00:56:39,319 --> 00:56:37,500
f-35 has a vertical lift fan in the

1388
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:39,329
middle to allow it to take off and land

1389
00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:41,490
like helicopter and it also adjusts its

1390
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:43,529
rear nozzle on the engine to give it the

1391
00:56:48,829 --> 00:56:46,319
the jump that's right yes but the the

1392
00:56:50,299 --> 00:56:48,839
lift fan is crucial because it makes the

1393
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:50,309
airplane very fat in the center of the

1394
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:53,130
fuselage you also need smaller wings to

1395
00:56:57,620 --> 00:56:54,690
help it you know lift and take off

1396
00:57:00,769 --> 00:56:57,630
vertically the Air Force and maybe

1397
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,779
versions do not have a lift fan but all

1398
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:02,160
three of them have the same shape

1399
00:57:05,809 --> 00:57:04,079
they're designed to be compatible with

1400
00:57:08,359 --> 00:57:05,819
you know spare parts and that sort of

1401
00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:08,369
thing right coming yeah commonality is

1402
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:13,049
critical here right but when you make

1403
00:57:17,749 --> 00:57:15,119
make it fat you give it little tiny

1404
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,759
wings little you know little chicken

1405
00:57:21,859 --> 00:57:19,200
wings on an airplane

1406
00:57:23,779 --> 00:57:21,869
now you can't maneuver as well because

1407
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:23,789
you need large wings to generate lift

1408
00:57:29,749 --> 00:57:27,599
right to make turns correct so you have

1409
00:57:32,839 --> 00:57:29,759
a plane that does not have for the Air

1410
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:32,849
Force and the Navy planes that do not

1411
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:34,970
have a lift fan but are

1412
00:57:39,620 --> 00:57:37,920
compromise in that sense they that you

1413
00:57:41,630 --> 00:57:39,630
know they're they're less maneuverable

1414
00:57:43,370 --> 00:57:41,640
despite not having the lift fan at all

1415
00:57:45,170 --> 00:57:43,380
so you're you're saying that the marine

1416
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:45,180
wing is the same size as the Air Force

1417
00:57:49,609 --> 00:57:47,250
and Navy variant uh that's not quite

1418
00:57:51,260 --> 00:57:49,619
this that I believe the Navy version has

1419
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:51,270
slightly larger wing that it does not it

1420
00:57:56,329 --> 00:57:53,010
correct yeah so we were getting our

1421
00:57:58,819 --> 00:57:56,339
facts straight but as a dog fighter

1422
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:58,829
you're in trouble because you have to be

1423
00:58:02,839 --> 00:58:01,680
highly maneuverable and in a turning

1424
00:58:04,730 --> 00:58:02,849
battle but do you have to be high

1425
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:04,740
renewable if you have the systems that

1426
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:08,010
the f-35 has on it that's a very good

1427
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:08,400
question

1428
00:58:14,990 --> 00:58:11,609
so I mean you're gonna compare apples to

1429
00:58:17,300 --> 00:58:15,000
apples the f16 can highly outmaneuver an

1430
00:58:19,309 --> 00:58:17,310
f-15 but the f-15 would never allow an

1431
00:58:22,190 --> 00:58:19,319
f-16 type aircraft to get close to it

1432
00:58:26,450 --> 00:58:22,200
so I understand your your generalization

1433
00:58:28,730 --> 00:58:26,460
on that and I have similar concerns when

1434
00:58:30,890 --> 00:58:28,740
we come in with one aircraft replace all

1435
00:58:32,270 --> 00:58:30,900
the others but I think one of the things

1436
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:32,280
that you have to throw in there in that

1437
00:58:36,849 --> 00:58:34,020
beginning description of the aircraft is

1438
00:58:40,190 --> 00:58:36,859
this aircraft is not a revolutionary

1439
00:58:42,589 --> 00:58:40,200
increment on the scale we're skipping

1440
00:58:44,420 --> 00:58:42,599
about two or three steps and we're

1441
00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:44,430
putting an evolutionary change out there

1442
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:47,369
to fit what the Air Force primarily is

1443
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:50,490
leading here as the future air battle

1444
00:58:58,130 --> 00:58:54,810
and air maneuver battle of order using a

1445
00:59:01,819 --> 00:58:58,140
integrated digitally networked digital

1446
00:59:03,319 --> 00:59:01,829
cast digital is are so that the ability

1447
00:59:04,910 --> 00:59:03,329
you know ultimately the way they're

1448
00:59:09,319 --> 00:59:04,920
gonna answer something like the close

1449
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:09,329
air support is the soldier who sees the

1450
00:59:14,980 --> 00:59:11,250
target is going to be to communicate in

1451
00:59:17,569 --> 00:59:14,990
that system and have the f-35 targeted

1452
00:59:20,210 --> 00:59:17,579
literally and let that weapon system go

1453
00:59:25,609 --> 00:59:20,220
because it's all part of the the network

1454
00:59:27,290 --> 00:59:25,619
wow snap commander well okay so the the

1455
00:59:30,170 --> 00:59:27,300
fighting in the air and fighting from a

1456
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:30,180
distance with all the digital sensors

1457
00:59:37,849 --> 00:59:34,079
and advanced band sensors and in close

1458
00:59:40,210 --> 00:59:37,859
air support or two different issues so

1459
00:59:43,849 --> 00:59:40,220
if I could address the the air-to-air

1460
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:43,859
issue first yes the Pentagon and the Air

1461
00:59:48,259 --> 00:59:46,680
Force in particular has long had a

1462
00:59:50,509 --> 00:59:48,269
passion for by

1463
00:59:51,979 --> 00:59:50,519
beyond visual range so the argument is

1464
00:59:55,489 --> 00:59:51,989
is that the f-35b it's not as

1465
00:59:57,289 --> 00:59:55,499
maneuverable as an f-16 but it'll be

1466
01:00:00,559 --> 00:59:57,299
able to shoot down anything from

1467
01:00:04,699 --> 01:00:00,569
long-range before it gets close so it's

1468
01:00:06,859 --> 01:00:04,709
not really an issue but I don't I doubt

1469
01:00:08,359 --> 01:00:06,869
that I doubt that quite a lot now this

1470
01:00:11,059 --> 01:00:08,369
is we're going I'm gonna come in on your

1471
01:00:13,689 --> 01:00:11,069
wing here a little bit Robin and say

1472
01:00:15,739 --> 01:00:13,699
that historically we've had bvr

1473
01:00:16,969 --> 01:00:15,749
capability for a long time but we've

1474
01:00:19,009 --> 01:00:16,979
never used it because we're always

1475
01:00:21,889 --> 01:00:19,019
afraid we're gonna take down allied or

1476
01:00:23,899 --> 01:00:21,899
friendly our own folks because we don't

1477
01:00:24,619 --> 01:00:23,909
do the visual identification beyond

1478
01:00:28,249 --> 01:00:24,629
visual range

1479
01:00:31,909 --> 01:00:28,259
you can't trust the iff identification

1480
01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:31,919
Friend or Foe and yeah but that happened

1481
01:00:36,649 --> 01:00:34,649
in Vietnam to happen even more recently

1482
01:00:38,809 --> 01:00:36,659
some places like Iraq where we took

1483
01:00:40,909 --> 01:00:38,819
Blackhawk helicopters because we were

1484
01:00:43,069 --> 01:00:40,919
convinced with the human person in the

1485
01:00:44,689 --> 01:00:43,079
element that two Blackhawks that were

1486
01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:44,699
carrying a number of American service

1487
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:46,169
people moving from northern Iraq to

1488
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:48,569
central Iraq were hind helicopters or

1489
01:00:53,959 --> 01:00:51,119
hips and they were shot by a BB are shot

1490
01:00:55,969 --> 01:00:53,969
by an f15 directed by an AWACS so it's

1491
01:00:57,529 --> 01:00:55,979
happened very recently hey you listening

1492
01:00:59,719 --> 01:00:57,539
to Mac Maloney's military-style show

1493
01:01:00,679 --> 01:00:59,729
here on the public streaming network

1494
01:01:03,469 --> 01:01:00,689
we're in the middle of a debate about

1495
01:01:05,089 --> 01:01:03,479
the f-35 the new airplane coming on the

1496
01:01:07,249 --> 01:01:05,099
line for the USAF us and a lot of other

1497
01:01:08,899 --> 01:01:07,259
forces around the world some people love

1498
01:01:10,729 --> 01:01:08,909
it some people really don't like it

1499
01:01:12,379 --> 01:01:10,739
we're gonna go back to the debate now

1500
01:01:15,499 --> 01:01:12,389
with commander Cobra and Rob back house

1501
01:01:17,869 --> 01:01:15,509
and of laura's roaring right so the

1502
01:01:19,339 --> 01:01:17,879
point about you know what you have an

1503
01:01:22,879 --> 01:01:19,349
enemy plane coming at you and you're in

1504
01:01:24,439 --> 01:01:22,889
an f-35 you know if you if you let have

1505
01:01:28,189 --> 01:01:24,449
to let that plane get close so you can

1506
01:01:30,769 --> 01:01:28,199
identify it you know you're within you

1507
01:01:31,969 --> 01:01:30,779
know a mile you know you're you're gonna

1508
01:01:34,459 --> 01:01:31,979
get in close you're gonna be in close

1509
01:01:37,219 --> 01:01:34,469
combat and a dogfight and it's gonna

1510
01:01:39,019 --> 01:01:37,229
start maneuver maneuverability starts to

1511
01:01:41,719 --> 01:01:39,029
matter with either the missiles of the

1512
01:01:46,399 --> 01:01:41,729
guns to maneuver the aircraft to get a

1513
01:01:48,499 --> 01:01:46,409
kill shot and the fact that the Russians

1514
01:01:50,569 --> 01:01:48,509
and the Chinese know that the f-35 said

1515
01:01:52,419 --> 01:01:50,579
it disadvantage here they will do

1516
01:01:55,279 --> 01:01:52,429
everything in their power to exploit

1517
01:01:58,399 --> 01:01:55,289
exploit it and they get as close as

1518
01:02:01,550 --> 01:01:58,409
possible in a near battle and so you

1519
01:02:03,590 --> 01:02:01,560
know you that is that's

1520
01:02:05,210 --> 01:02:03,600
that it can fight it long-range than

1521
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:05,220
that well these technological solution

1522
01:02:09,350 --> 01:02:06,570
will solve all of our you know

1523
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:09,360
air-to-air combat problems I just don't

1524
01:02:11,330 --> 01:02:10,770
believe it now there's a lot of close

1525
01:02:13,310 --> 01:02:11,340
air support

1526
01:02:15,650 --> 01:02:13,320
I'm gonna engage I give you tip of the

1527
01:02:16,910 --> 01:02:15,660
hat salute kudos on that because we

1528
01:02:19,220 --> 01:02:16,920
constantly have been down this road

1529
01:02:21,830 --> 01:02:19,230
before you know one of the things that

1530
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:21,840
the f-35 has on it is it has an internal

1531
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:23,010
gun system on it

1532
01:02:26,930 --> 01:02:24,930
it doesn't have very many rounds on it

1533
01:02:28,490 --> 01:02:26,940
but it has an internal gun system and

1534
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:28,500
when the f4 came out and the f4 was

1535
01:02:34,610 --> 01:02:31,770
touted exactly the same way in 1960s

1536
01:02:36,620 --> 01:02:34,620
late 50s 1960 terms they didn't put a

1537
01:02:38,780 --> 01:02:36,630
gun on it because missiles were gonna

1538
01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:38,790
take care of everything and dogfighting

1539
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:40,710
was no longer going to be an issue and

1540
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:43,200
then what happens Russian aircraft in

1541
01:02:47,450 --> 01:02:45,690
many instances Russian pilots Chinese

1542
01:02:51,650 --> 01:02:47,460
pilots and Northey and these pilots

1543
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:51,660
tangle in far less inferior airplanes in

1544
01:02:56,210 --> 01:02:53,250
almost every category except they were

1545
01:02:58,070 --> 01:02:56,220
almost as fast if not faster had a gun

1546
01:03:00,530 --> 01:02:58,080
had a very simple missile and they could

1547
01:03:03,140 --> 01:03:00,540
out maneuver the f4 and we had what not

1548
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:03,150
trained for this mission so that's a

1549
01:03:08,090 --> 01:03:06,210
time that Vietnam Vietnam came along we

1550
01:03:09,740 --> 01:03:08,100
had not you're right they expected the

1551
01:03:12,140 --> 01:03:09,750
f4 phantom to be one of these airplanes

1552
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:12,150
that would go up very high and and shoot

1553
01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:14,250
incoming bombers from miles and miles

1554
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:16,380
and miles away and the pilots never had

1555
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:18,690
any training and Navy pilots the same

1556
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:20,130
thing and I think at one point in

1557
01:03:25,220 --> 01:03:23,010
Vietnam I killed ratio was two MiG's for

1558
01:03:26,570 --> 01:03:25,230
every one of our airplanes right Jim

1559
01:03:28,730 --> 01:03:26,580
wants as well at least you're winning

1560
01:03:31,130 --> 01:03:28,740
you know to everyone that's all the harm

1561
01:03:32,570 --> 01:03:31,140
it was 10 to 15 or one in Korea and we

1562
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:32,580
were something like twenty to twenty

1563
01:03:37,580 --> 01:03:34,530
five to one in World War two right it

1564
01:03:39,020 --> 01:03:37,590
was just a horrible situation and it and

1565
01:03:41,090 --> 01:03:39,030
you're right they said the same things

1566
01:03:42,890 --> 01:03:41,100
about the F what this thing about the XO

1567
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:42,900
to be to throw the other part of this

1568
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:46,170
the rub the the technological change as

1569
01:03:51,470 --> 01:03:48,650
I said before not in line not a

1570
01:03:53,450 --> 01:03:51,480
generational kind of they're really

1571
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:53,460
inking this thing up to three

1572
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:56,400
evolutionary leaves up there I think

1573
01:03:59,960 --> 01:03:58,050
this is why they held on to the stealth

1574
01:04:02,150 --> 01:03:59,970
as much as they did to give the ability

1575
01:04:03,950 --> 01:04:02,160
that it's not going to be easily seen

1576
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:03,960
that it's not going and it's going to be

1577
01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:06,240
linked digitally to the other aircraft

1578
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:09,420
that are around it as they come up which

1579
01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:11,130
leads me to throw in early in this

1580
01:04:15,140 --> 01:04:13,260
discussion there is no way in heaven

1581
01:04:17,630 --> 01:04:15,150
this is going to be the only aircraft

1582
01:04:19,580 --> 01:04:17,640
that we produce of course at these at

1583
01:04:21,740 --> 01:04:19,590
this cost I don't I don't think it's

1584
01:04:23,330 --> 01:04:21,750
gonna be very easy to bring additional

1585
01:04:27,650 --> 01:04:23,340
aircraft and it's a very expensive

1586
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:27,660
platform but it's going to bring about a

1587
01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:29,970
low cost fighter Allah we're going to

1588
01:04:34,190 --> 01:04:31,740
repeat what we've done a number of times

1589
01:04:39,050 --> 01:04:36,920
so let me Abbi step back just for a

1590
01:04:42,350 --> 01:04:39,060
moment um go back to the the close air

1591
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:42,360
support and ground attack top angle

1592
01:04:47,060 --> 01:04:45,450
which we skipped over a bit so to your

1593
01:04:49,610 --> 01:04:47,070
arguments credit I don't think it's the

1594
01:04:52,790 --> 01:04:49,620
worst ground attacker in the world you

1595
01:04:55,100 --> 01:04:52,800
know with Chris and so one of the big

1596
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:55,110
criticisms the f-35 is that can't carry

1597
01:04:58,310 --> 01:04:56,400
a lot of bombs that carries it

1598
01:05:01,850 --> 01:04:58,320
internally because of the stealth which

1599
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:01,860
we talked about right but with precision

1600
01:05:06,050 --> 01:05:03,690
guided weapons that we use now I mean

1601
01:05:07,550 --> 01:05:06,060
this isn't Vietnam this isn't world war

1602
01:05:10,490 --> 01:05:07,560
two anymore so you can do a lot more

1603
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:10,500
than you used to with less so with the

1604
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:13,530
sensor fusion and with the ability to

1605
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:16,890
you know to integrate with troops on the

1606
01:05:20,690 --> 01:05:19,200
ground with other aircraft if you want

1607
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:20,700
to blow up a building or bridge you can

1608
01:05:25,610 --> 01:05:23,490
do that and you can do it with a pretty

1609
01:05:30,620 --> 01:05:25,620
big bomb you know you can fit two really

1610
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:30,630
big bombs inside this thing as a close

1611
01:05:34,340 --> 01:05:32,370
air support aircraft I'd say it's about

1612
01:05:36,380 --> 01:05:34,350
as good as the f16 and you know we do

1613
01:05:38,170 --> 01:05:36,390
have I mean so there are some you know

1614
01:05:41,630 --> 01:05:38,180
critics like Pierre sprey

1615
01:05:43,580 --> 01:05:41,640
who you know goes way back in the

1616
01:05:47,030 --> 01:05:43,590
Pentagon and had had a role in the a-10

1617
01:05:48,430 --> 01:05:47,040
the f-16 he says you know multi-role

1618
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,440
aircraft you build a multi-role

1619
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:50,400
multi-role plane you're sunk from the

1620
01:05:54,050 --> 01:05:52,290
beginning and I always thought you know

1621
01:05:56,510 --> 01:05:54,060
Hebrew always like very lightweight very

1622
01:05:57,740 --> 01:05:56,520
agile planes but I like to but I mean

1623
01:06:02,090 --> 01:05:57,750
you know we have some pretty good

1624
01:06:05,300 --> 01:06:02,100
multi-role aircraft now I don't know if

1625
01:06:09,170 --> 01:06:05,310
we need a super expensive stealth you

1626
01:06:11,450 --> 01:06:09,180
know do it all you know airplane when we

1627
01:06:13,970 --> 01:06:11,460
know you could have cheaper options it's

1628
01:06:15,170 --> 01:06:13,980
it's just there's you know well let's go

1629
01:06:17,660 --> 01:06:15,180
back to your numbers though rub you're

1630
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:17,670
talking about 2500 of these in the

1631
01:06:22,670 --> 01:06:19,730
inventory of the United States alone

1632
01:06:24,860 --> 01:06:22,680
probably another additional 2,000 spread

1633
01:06:26,090 --> 01:06:24,870
across mostly NATO allies and probably

1634
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:26,100
some of the other trusts that one's like

1635
01:06:30,170 --> 01:06:27,930
Japan and Korea at

1636
01:06:31,730 --> 01:06:30,180
this point in the Middle East well the

1637
01:06:32,690 --> 01:06:31,740
Middle East that's an interesting point

1638
01:06:34,460 --> 01:06:32,700
we're not going to see them in the

1639
01:06:35,780 --> 01:06:34,470
Middle East anytime soon because Israel

1640
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:35,790
is gonna get them first and there wasn't

1641
01:06:41,150 --> 01:06:38,640
gonna happen for about 10 15 years and

1642
01:06:43,850 --> 01:06:41,160
then it's it's to keep the quantitative

1643
01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:43,860
edge for the Israelis ahead of their

1644
01:06:47,870 --> 01:06:46,110
their Arab neighbors yep but it's gonna

1645
01:06:49,460 --> 01:06:47,880
be exported to a lot of different places

1646
01:06:51,410 --> 01:06:49,470
and a lot of different a lot of

1647
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:51,420
different countries have already kind of

1648
01:06:56,510 --> 01:06:53,760
gone in on this thing and now with all

1649
01:06:58,700 --> 01:06:56,520
this negative press I just wonder if I

1650
01:07:00,110 --> 01:06:58,710
can jump in here I just want to read

1651
01:07:02,780 --> 01:07:00,120
some a little bit of research I did

1652
01:07:04,340 --> 01:07:02,790
today listening smack mommy's mill

1653
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:04,350
textile show you're in the middle of the

1654
01:07:09,710 --> 01:07:08,130
great f-35 debate I just looked at this

1655
01:07:11,780 --> 01:07:09,720
robbed from like a historic point of

1656
01:07:14,330 --> 01:07:11,790
view and I didn't really have to do

1657
01:07:18,130 --> 01:07:14,340
spend too much time researching it all I

1658
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:18,140
had to do was like Google criticism of

1659
01:07:24,890 --> 01:07:20,400
historic fighter planes or something

1660
01:07:26,690 --> 01:07:24,900
like that like for instance there was

1661
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:26,700
criticism of this one particular fighter

1662
01:07:29,660 --> 01:07:28,050
that said there was too large to be a

1663
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:29,670
dedicated dog fighter and too expensive

1664
01:07:35,030 --> 01:07:31,890
to procure and large numbers let me

1665
01:07:36,530 --> 01:07:35,040
guess at 15 f-15 you know and at the

1666
01:07:38,780 --> 01:07:36,540
f-15 turned out to be the most

1667
01:07:42,290 --> 01:07:38,790
successful fighter in history it's never

1668
01:07:44,570 --> 01:07:42,300
been shot down it's like a 1/100 to zero

1669
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:44,580
you know kill ratio mostly because the

1670
01:07:49,460 --> 01:07:46,770
Israelis knocking airplanes out of the

1671
01:07:52,130 --> 01:07:49,470
sky and and they built hundreds they I

1672
01:07:54,140 --> 01:07:52,140
think thousands for only quote unquote

1673
01:07:57,110 --> 01:07:54,150
forty three million dollars a piece

1674
01:08:00,380 --> 01:07:57,120
which is cheap these days parking at

1675
01:08:01,700 --> 01:08:00,390
twice the price alright his criticism of

1676
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:01,710
another plane this plane was opposed

1677
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:03,330
because there was too lightweight and

1678
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:06,090
cheap relying only on a single engine

1679
01:08:10,910 --> 01:08:09,450
I'm guessing f-16 f16 is right f-16

1680
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:10,920
turned out to be one of them I mean

1681
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:13,170
other than the f-15 turned out to be one

1682
01:08:17,900 --> 01:08:15,090
of the best airplanes ever and what was

1683
01:08:20,300 --> 01:08:17,910
the loser airplane to the f-16 that

1684
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:20,310
would be the f7 7/7 which came in became

1685
01:08:25,790 --> 01:08:23,610
the f-18 exactly which was aptly and

1686
01:08:28,250 --> 01:08:25,800
based it as a replacement to the a6 the

1687
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:28,260
f-14 and trying to put one common

1688
01:08:31,820 --> 01:08:29,730
airframe on to the aircraft carrier

1689
01:08:34,250 --> 01:08:31,830
right now we're building enf models

1690
01:08:36,710 --> 01:08:34,260
which went through a significant wing

1691
01:08:38,780 --> 01:08:36,720
problem on them that's why the wing on

1692
01:08:40,340 --> 01:08:38,790
the lightning to here had to have some

1693
01:08:41,270 --> 01:08:40,350
modifications to get it on off the

1694
01:08:44,670 --> 01:08:41,280
carrier

1695
01:08:48,030 --> 01:08:44,680
in a little historical nugget I picked

1696
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:48,040
up in right when the f8 f-16 the f-15

1697
01:08:51,900 --> 01:08:49,690
they kind of came online right at the

1698
01:08:54,060 --> 01:08:51,910
same time US News and World Report

1699
01:08:56,340 --> 01:08:54,070
characterized both as America's jinx

1700
01:08:58,770 --> 01:08:56,350
jinx warplanes because both of them were

1701
01:09:00,570 --> 01:08:58,780
having as they say teething problems so

1702
01:09:04,260 --> 01:09:00,580
I went back a little bit more and it

1703
01:09:05,460 --> 01:09:04,270
turns out that you know people dumped on

1704
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:05,470
that we're going back into the

1705
01:09:10,020 --> 01:09:07,570
historical kind of aspect of this ok

1706
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:10,030
people dumped on the on the Mustang

1707
01:09:13,830 --> 01:09:12,490
the p-51 Mustang it was a dog when it

1708
01:09:14,700 --> 01:09:13,840
first came out aerodynamically

1709
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:14,710
well-designed

1710
01:09:18,540 --> 01:09:16,810
crap American engine that was put in it

1711
01:09:20,460 --> 01:09:18,550
they put a rolls-royce engine in it and

1712
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:20,470
it becomes maybe the most popular the

1713
01:09:25,860 --> 01:09:23,440
best fighter plane ever the p-51 can

1714
01:09:28,410 --> 01:09:25,870
still fly from England go do battle in

1715
01:09:30,540 --> 01:09:28,420
the middle of Germany and come back on

1716
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:30,550
its fuel load and we still don't have

1717
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:31,690
fighters that could do that without

1718
01:09:35,850 --> 01:09:33,690
tanker support amazing

1719
01:09:38,670 --> 01:09:35,860
there was another plane of world war two

1720
01:09:40,530 --> 01:09:38,680
called the p38 and people criticized

1721
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:40,540
that they had two engines right and

1722
01:09:45,210 --> 01:09:42,610
that's and had a very slow roll rate it

1723
01:09:47,070 --> 01:09:45,220
didn't it had an incredible air-to-air

1724
01:09:48,930 --> 01:09:47,080
capability and a ground attack

1725
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:48,940
capability but it didn't maneuver very

1726
01:09:54,180 --> 01:09:51,130
well and it was a very complicated

1727
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:54,190
airplane to fly but it is the legacy

1728
01:09:58,200 --> 01:09:56,080
name interesting you bring this up Mac

1729
01:10:00,030 --> 01:09:58,210
it is the original lightning Brite the

1730
01:10:01,530 --> 01:10:00,040
original lightning the f-35 that's its

1731
01:10:01,950 --> 01:10:01,540
nickname and just going down the list

1732
01:10:04,710 --> 01:10:01,960
real quick

1733
01:10:06,810 --> 01:10:04,720
people criticize the f-86 because it was

1734
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:06,820
too slow and that was basically what won

1735
01:10:11,330 --> 01:10:08,770
the air war for us in Korea people

1736
01:10:14,730 --> 01:10:11,340
criticize the f-104 as being too fast

1737
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:14,740
okay and it was used as a ground attack

1738
01:10:20,190 --> 01:10:17,170
aircraft by the Dutch and the Germans

1739
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:20,200
they criticized the f-111 swing-wing is

1740
01:10:25,250 --> 01:10:21,850
being too complicated and it turned out

1741
01:10:27,530 --> 01:10:25,260
to be a really good fight Obama and and

1742
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:27,540
therefore of course someone used to

1743
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:29,770
describe it as a truck and in the

1744
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:31,090
airplane that looks like someone close

1745
01:10:36,060 --> 01:10:34,210
the hangar doors on it so basically what

1746
01:10:38,610 --> 01:10:36,070
I'm just saying is that each one of

1747
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:38,620
these airplanes has you know they go

1748
01:10:43,380 --> 01:10:41,410
through teething problems and they get

1749
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:43,390
the problems straightened out and they

1750
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:46,330
you know perform above and beyond the

1751
01:10:48,510 --> 01:10:46,960
call of duty

1752
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:48,520
you know isn't this out we just going

1753
01:10:52,590 --> 01:10:50,110
through the same thing with the f-35

1754
01:10:53,970 --> 01:10:52,600
well you may be leaving out planes that

1755
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:53,980
didn't work out they know they were

1756
01:10:56,910 --> 01:10:54,850
called out at the

1757
01:10:59,040 --> 01:10:56,920
time and they you know either their

1758
01:11:01,680 --> 01:10:59,050
numbers were drastically cut during

1759
01:11:03,900 --> 01:11:01,690
procurement so you know some planes that

1760
01:11:07,950 --> 01:11:03,910
were really good they were cut so I mean

1761
01:11:09,930 --> 01:11:07,960
the f-22 is a really really really hot

1762
01:11:12,270 --> 01:11:09,940
you know really nice air superiority

1763
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:12,280
fighter but we have way we have a lot

1764
01:11:17,820 --> 01:11:15,280
fewer of them than we plan the b-2 was

1765
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:17,830
cut from what was the original number he

1766
01:11:22,530 --> 01:11:20,560
was a guy almost up at 200 is what they

1767
01:11:25,710 --> 01:11:22,540
were expecting on the b2 but I think the

1768
01:11:28,710 --> 01:11:25,720
b2 is because they wanted a follow-on

1769
01:11:30,750 --> 01:11:28,720
capability sooner and they kept the b1

1770
01:11:33,210 --> 01:11:30,760
and the b-52 online so I think that

1771
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:33,220
that's in the economics that you're

1772
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:35,650
approaching here is is a critical part

1773
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:38,170
of it because we are more involved as a

1774
01:11:42,810 --> 01:11:40,960
citizenry a nation and what's going on

1775
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:42,820
in this controversy and of course you

1776
01:11:47,100 --> 01:11:44,050
know just add what we talk about here

1777
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:47,110
almost every week about the governmental

1778
01:11:50,370 --> 01:11:48,640
military conspiracies the

1779
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:50,380
military-industrial complex this thing

1780
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:52,570
stinks from high heaven when you look at

1781
01:11:56,490 --> 01:11:54,010
this from the outside looking in right

1782
01:11:59,520 --> 01:11:56,500
one mega company doing this what the you

1783
01:12:02,310 --> 01:11:59,530
know 2070 we're talking about we're and

1784
01:12:03,900 --> 01:12:02,320
we have you can get anything you get any

1785
01:12:06,450 --> 01:12:03,910
information you want favorable or

1786
01:12:09,150 --> 01:12:06,460
negative on the f-35 in a level of of

1787
01:12:10,410 --> 01:12:09,160
depth that is unknown the previous

1788
01:12:12,930 --> 01:12:10,420
aircraft systems that we've dealt with

1789
01:12:14,730 --> 01:12:12,940
yeah it's strange hey you listen we're

1790
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:14,740
gonna take a break now we're in half way

1791
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:18,400
through I great f-35 debate and just one

1792
01:12:22,290 --> 01:12:19,840
tell our listeners that we'll be back

1793
01:12:24,450 --> 01:12:22,300
right after these commercials talking

1794
01:12:29,010 --> 01:12:24,460
about the f-35 about a billion trillion

1795
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:29,020
dollar expensive thing in our defense

1796
01:12:33,930 --> 01:12:31,120
budget a lot of people say that it's not

1797
01:12:37,170 --> 01:12:33,940
worth you know anywhere near that kind

1798
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:37,180
of price dang thank you

1799
01:12:41,010 --> 01:12:38,890
okay commander you're giving me signals

1800
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:41,020
racing yeah I was just looking for our

1801
01:12:45,180 --> 01:12:43,530
break I have to use the boys frown okay

1802
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:45,190
well this is it

1803
01:12:50,010 --> 01:12:47,050
so while you listen to the ponies

1804
01:12:51,450 --> 01:12:50,020
military exile show here on the public

1805
01:12:54,430 --> 01:12:51,460
streaming network stay tuned we'll be

1806
01:12:58,220 --> 01:12:56,510
welcome back everyone to Mack Melones

1807
01:13:00,740 --> 01:12:58,230
military exile show here on the public

1808
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:00,750
streaming network this make money in the

1809
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,010
studio with us tonight the very famous

1810
01:13:07,010 --> 01:13:04,560
Juan Juan is here also coming to Cobra

1811
01:13:09,310 --> 01:13:07,020
is in the house on the phone right now

1812
01:13:11,540 --> 01:13:09,320
we're talking to Juarez boring

1813
01:13:14,690 --> 01:13:11,550
Rob back house and that sounds kind of

1814
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:14,700
strange that I should say we're talking

1815
01:13:19,190 --> 01:13:17,850
to rob Beck housing of war is boring

1816
01:13:20,420 --> 01:13:19,200
we're not trying to indicate that you

1817
01:13:22,220 --> 01:13:20,430
are bored it's always nice when the

1818
01:13:23,300 --> 01:13:22,230
writer corrects is is grammar that's

1819
01:13:26,060 --> 01:13:23,310
beautiful

1820
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:26,070
the editor yeah thank you very much so

1821
01:13:31,340 --> 01:13:28,080
and we're in the middle of this intense

1822
01:13:34,250 --> 01:13:31,350
debate about this new airplane that the

1823
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:34,260
US military is building the f-35 it

1824
01:13:39,410 --> 01:13:35,850
costs like trillions of dollars they're

1825
01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:39,420
going to build a lot of them and a lot

1826
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:41,490
of people say that it's not worth it

1827
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:43,650
that it's just you know I've read stuff

1828
01:13:47,420 --> 01:13:45,330
Juan Juan was just showing me stuff on

1829
01:13:48,980 --> 01:13:47,430
the internet and where they just you

1830
01:13:51,980 --> 01:13:48,990
know refer to this thing is just that F

1831
01:13:53,330 --> 01:13:51,990
and you know piece of junk and so on and

1832
01:13:57,710 --> 01:13:53,340
I just want to ask you a question is

1833
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:57,720
like how long ago you know was this

1834
01:14:03,170 --> 01:14:00,480
design when when did the first you know

1835
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:03,180
blank sheet of paper appear where they

1836
01:14:07,580 --> 01:14:04,560
said okay we have to design something

1837
01:14:10,900 --> 01:14:07,590
you know I may be wrong about this but

1838
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:10,910
the late 80s early 90s when the f-35

1839
01:14:16,460 --> 01:14:13,730
really started getting going okay so

1840
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:16,470
we're talking about probably you know

1841
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:19,170
doing drawings and stuff in the mid 90s

1842
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:22,560
late 90s I don't have an exact date I

1843
01:14:26,660 --> 01:14:24,810
was to win you know the first prototypes

1844
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:26,670
that would be great with late 90s early

1845
01:14:29,930 --> 01:14:28,560
nineties and the other part of it of

1846
01:14:31,580 --> 01:14:29,940
course is it was an extension of a lot

1847
01:14:34,010 --> 01:14:31,590
of the stealth research that went on and

1848
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:34,020
things like the f-22 and and the a12

1849
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:35,850
Avenger in those aircraft so totally so

1850
01:14:39,410 --> 01:14:37,050
it's where do you draw the line exactly

1851
01:14:42,170 --> 01:14:39,420
is you know it's very late it's your

1852
01:14:44,060 --> 01:14:42,180
your um but I'm sure you're always kind

1853
01:14:46,910 --> 01:14:44,070
of like behind because it takes so long

1854
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:46,920
to design these things and to ramp up

1855
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:49,050
you know the manufacturing process and

1856
01:14:54,530 --> 01:14:51,600
stuff like that so basically the f-35 is

1857
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:54,540
flying around with early you know 21st

1858
01:14:58,820 --> 01:14:57,330
century negative I don't I don't agree

1859
01:15:00,230 --> 01:14:58,830
with that at all the the breakthrough

1860
01:15:01,910 --> 01:15:00,240
stuff that's why they're having so much

1861
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:01,920
trouble with it because we haven't had

1862
01:15:06,440 --> 01:15:04,290
another series of aircraft in between

1863
01:15:06,740 --> 01:15:06,450
this if you can like him back the way

1864
01:15:08,270 --> 01:15:06,750
his

1865
01:15:10,820 --> 01:15:08,280
torkoal period is when we made the leap

1866
01:15:14,090 --> 01:15:10,830
the jet engines from the propeller

1867
01:15:15,950 --> 01:15:14,100
aircraft yes and at one point in the 50s

1868
01:15:17,540 --> 01:15:15,960
the Navy was considering never going to

1869
01:15:18,860 --> 01:15:17,550
jet aircraft because they couldn't get

1870
01:15:20,900 --> 01:15:18,870
him on two carriers because the

1871
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:20,910
technology of the jet engine at its time

1872
01:15:24,500 --> 01:15:23,280
was so poor it it took so long to cycle

1873
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:24,510
it up when you made the approach onto

1874
01:15:28,730 --> 01:15:26,490
the boat and we're still using straight

1875
01:15:31,610 --> 01:15:28,740
deck carriers it was considered it was

1876
01:15:33,020 --> 01:15:31,620
unsuitable okay you have the same thing

1877
01:15:34,910 --> 01:15:33,030
going on here you have breakthrough

1878
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:34,920
technology we're rushing to it in some

1879
01:15:39,410 --> 01:15:37,920
instances and we live in a world where

1880
01:15:41,540 --> 01:15:39,420
every failure that we used to happen

1881
01:15:43,490 --> 01:15:41,550
before and was expected is now treated

1882
01:15:45,380 --> 01:15:43,500
as a major stopping point

1883
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:45,390
well we've said on this show many times

1884
01:15:49,490 --> 01:15:47,850
that out of the 10 secret projects that

1885
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:49,500
take place out at area 51

1886
01:15:53,060 --> 01:15:51,450
you know aircraft and stuff like that

1887
01:15:55,190 --> 01:15:53,070
nine of them never see the light of day

1888
01:15:56,690 --> 01:15:55,200
it's that tenth one you know that they

1889
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:56,700
come out and they make you know hundreds

1890
01:16:02,090 --> 01:16:00,000
and so on and in most cases become a

1891
01:16:04,490 --> 01:16:02,100
very successful thing there was a time

1892
01:16:06,020 --> 01:16:04,500
back and before World War two in during

1893
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:06,030
World War two where you had two

1894
01:16:09,530 --> 01:16:07,770
different levels of fighters you know

1895
01:16:11,540 --> 01:16:09,540
you would have kind of like lesser

1896
01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:11,550
fighters like the p39 and stuff like

1897
01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:14,310
that it doesn't really compare to a p-51

1898
01:16:18,140 --> 01:16:16,260
or something like that but these days

1899
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:18,150
you just you got to make one and it

1900
01:16:21,740 --> 01:16:19,920
seems like this one you know the Marines

1901
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:21,750
wanted for this to take off the Navy

1902
01:16:26,420 --> 01:16:23,850
wants it to this to defend the fleet the

1903
01:16:27,740 --> 01:16:26,430
effluence wants this you know and I can

1904
01:16:29,390 --> 01:16:27,750
see where a lot of people was we were

1905
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:29,400
just having before it's like the Swiss

1906
01:16:33,470 --> 01:16:31,920
Army knife of aircraft and at some point

1907
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:33,480
don't you just pile on just too much

1908
01:16:37,490 --> 01:16:35,970
crap and it takes away one little thing

1909
01:16:39,500 --> 01:16:37,500
takes away from everything else that's

1910
01:16:41,450 --> 01:16:39,510
what I mean that's my argument so but

1911
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:41,460
we're talking about ground attack

1912
01:16:44,900 --> 01:16:43,410
earlier and I think it could evolve into

1913
01:16:46,210 --> 01:16:44,910
a you know a pretty good bomber made a

1914
01:16:47,390 --> 01:16:46,220
pretty good ground attack aircraft

1915
01:16:51,710 --> 01:16:47,400
dogfighting

1916
01:16:55,190 --> 01:16:51,720
I really really afraid for pilots flying

1917
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:55,200
this in a dogfight but you know it's not

1918
01:17:02,950 --> 01:16:59,520
the worst ground attacker the so also

1919
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:02,960
going back to when it when the f-35

1920
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:07,110
originated so we can build aircraft very

1921
01:17:11,780 --> 01:17:09,090
quickly this is taken a very long time

1922
01:17:13,310 --> 01:17:11,790
and we could have a probably have a

1923
01:17:15,700 --> 01:17:13,320
better ground attack aircraft we have a

1924
01:17:20,620 --> 01:17:15,710
better air superiority fighter for less

1925
01:17:24,110 --> 01:17:20,630
but I think what happened was is that

1926
01:17:25,370 --> 01:17:24,120
so in that late 80s early 90s the United

1927
01:17:27,620 --> 01:17:25,380
States was losing its main military

1928
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:27,630
rival which was the Soviet Union okay

1929
01:17:32,690 --> 01:17:30,480
and the United States also in 1991

1930
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:32,700
obliterated the Iraqi army in the

1931
01:17:38,660 --> 01:17:35,280
Persian Gulf War right and that gave the

1932
01:17:40,130 --> 01:17:38,670
Pentagon this video game idea that

1933
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:40,140
superior technology will always make you

1934
01:17:46,220 --> 01:17:42,930
invulnerable and anyone who studies

1935
01:17:48,230 --> 01:17:46,230
warfare will know that's often the case

1936
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:48,240
well let's just look at where we've been

1937
01:17:53,330 --> 01:17:50,610
for the last 15 years we had a striking

1938
01:17:56,540 --> 01:17:53,340
blow out in 91 in Desert Storm veteran

1939
01:17:58,520 --> 01:17:56,550
of that get-together it was a lot of it

1940
01:18:00,020 --> 01:17:58,530
was delivered by stealth we don't ever

1941
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:00,030
talk about the fact that was Apache

1942
01:18:03,890 --> 01:18:01,890
helicopters and pavol helicopters that

1943
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:03,900
blue the original radar hole that let

1944
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:06,810
the 117 go in let that set aside in the

1945
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:09,360
historical dustbin because the 117 saved

1946
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:11,010
us and now we have 15 years of

1947
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:13,410
continuous war and we're looking for how

1948
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:15,450
we're gonna get out of that kind of well

1949
01:18:19,220 --> 01:18:17,250
look at Vietnam I mean you know they

1950
01:18:21,290 --> 01:18:19,230
beat us with what symbols they made out

1951
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:21,300
of the bottom of truck tires and the

1952
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:23,040
person go for you know we had American

1953
01:18:26,810 --> 01:18:24,810
troops who were you know very well

1954
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:26,820
trained and you know the Iraqi army was

1955
01:18:32,180 --> 01:18:29,850
very badly led you know and we had six

1956
01:18:33,980 --> 01:18:32,190
months to prepare on the doorstep get

1957
01:18:35,810 --> 01:18:33,990
ready with no contest right so I think

1958
01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:35,820
that I think that's created aside from

1959
01:18:39,980 --> 01:18:37,860
that a perfect example to base all

1960
01:18:42,410 --> 01:18:39,990
future warfare no sure right well look

1961
01:18:44,990 --> 01:18:42,420
the f-35 has not developed out of an

1962
01:18:46,850 --> 01:18:45,000
urgent need so you know there is no

1963
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:46,860
military force on the planet that can

1964
01:18:50,420 --> 01:18:48,690
challenge the United States globally and

1965
01:18:52,190 --> 01:18:50,430
win regionally it's different Russia

1966
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:52,200
China China in the western Pacific

1967
01:18:56,420 --> 01:18:54,930
different story right but you know the

1968
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:56,430
United States Air Force is the largest

1969
01:19:02,780 --> 01:18:58,800
most powerful most advanced air force in

1970
01:19:05,210 --> 01:19:02,790
the world and I hate when things in the

1971
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:05,220
military are actually needed the system

1972
01:19:10,580 --> 01:19:07,890
works better so in the Iraq war in 2003

1973
01:19:12,530 --> 01:19:10,590
we found this is very different example

1974
01:19:15,260 --> 01:19:12,540
but bear with me we found that our

1975
01:19:17,570 --> 01:19:15,270
Humvees like lightly armored Humvees

1976
01:19:19,730 --> 01:19:17,580
were getting bombed so we quickly got

1977
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:19,740
more of these effective more heavily

1978
01:19:25,070 --> 01:19:23,130
armored vehicles the f-35 does not have

1979
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:25,080
a realistic enemy there's no other

1980
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:26,370
country in the world that's mass

1981
01:19:33,530 --> 01:19:29,370
producing stealth fighters and without

1982
01:19:35,870 --> 01:19:33,540
urgency the military oh that

1983
01:19:38,330 --> 01:19:35,880
branches its service branches the Air

1984
01:19:40,220 --> 01:19:38,340
Force the Navy Marines have more of an

1985
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:40,230
incentive to add their own desired

1986
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:43,290
features on to this pet project which

1987
01:19:50,450 --> 01:19:47,210
increases blow which increases cost so

1988
01:19:54,020 --> 01:19:50,460
there's not really any real reason the

1989
01:19:56,090 --> 01:19:54,030
f-35 needs to work so that's why

1990
01:19:59,930 --> 01:19:56,100
everyone involved you know from the

1991
01:20:02,060 --> 01:19:59,940
programmers working on the software you

1992
01:20:05,420 --> 01:20:02,070
know contractors receiving kickbacks

1993
01:20:08,930 --> 01:20:05,430
from you know with the Pentagon

1994
01:20:11,780 --> 01:20:08,940
officials you know it's it's it's we

1995
01:20:14,690 --> 01:20:11,790
don't need it now and so but I do need

1996
01:20:16,820 --> 01:20:14,700
my career in my job yeah something for

1997
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:16,830
the next now we're driving back into the

1998
01:20:20,900 --> 01:20:18,330
area then the military industrial

1999
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:20,910
complex which we all I think would I

2000
01:20:25,370 --> 01:20:22,650
think in this group would agree is not

2001
01:20:27,050 --> 01:20:25,380
always in the best interest of fielding

2002
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:27,060
the best weapon system as quick as

2003
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:28,770
possible right see that's exactly my

2004
01:20:32,540 --> 01:20:30,570
question is that I understand what you

2005
01:20:34,340 --> 01:20:32,550
mean where things are you know made

2006
01:20:36,620 --> 01:20:34,350
better you know when there's an urgent

2007
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:36,630
need but you know this thing as you said

2008
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:39,930
you know they've from design to actual

2009
01:20:45,140 --> 01:20:42,530
airplane as taking almost twenty years

2010
01:20:46,610 --> 01:20:45,150
how can you how can you you know the way

2011
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:46,620
that the system is set up to build

2012
01:20:50,420 --> 01:20:47,970
airplanes that fill these you know

2013
01:20:52,190 --> 01:20:50,430
unbelievably high advanced aircraft but

2014
01:20:55,550 --> 01:20:52,200
they take so damn long to do it how can

2015
01:20:57,440 --> 01:20:55,560
you possibly thought a you know

2016
01:20:59,870 --> 01:20:57,450
something an urgent need like that well

2017
01:21:01,520 --> 01:20:59,880
if you I didn't need now the plane will

2018
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:01,530
come out but the urgent need is being

2019
01:21:07,930 --> 01:21:04,800
handled by enf model f-18s Strike Eagle

2020
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:07,940
versions of the f-15 it were up to what

2021
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:11,010
gh model f-16 that's how we've been

2022
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:13,410
covering the the the the urgent need us

2023
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:15,090
it's come up and we're not really being

2024
01:21:19,130 --> 01:21:17,130
contested on an urgent need what is the

2025
01:21:20,630 --> 01:21:19,140
urgent need well that the questioning

2026
01:21:23,330 --> 01:21:20,640
that we're battling with you know we've

2027
01:21:24,860 --> 01:21:23,340
had this enduring perpetual war cycle

2028
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:24,870
that everyone's realized we need to get

2029
01:21:29,540 --> 01:21:26,730
out of maybe the solution is you take

2030
01:21:31,310 --> 01:21:29,550
something like c-130s and c-17s you fill

2031
01:21:33,890 --> 01:21:31,320
them with precision weapons you have an

2032
01:21:35,450 --> 01:21:33,900
f-35 out for that select that the

2033
01:21:37,490 --> 01:21:35,460
targets and is doing the targeting and

2034
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:37,500
who knows what explained we talked about

2035
01:21:41,900 --> 01:21:39,840
those every couple weeks is out there

2036
01:21:44,750 --> 01:21:41,910
and now you let these transport

2037
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:44,760
airplanes drop huge amounts of of

2038
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:47,370
weaponry and now it's being targeted

2039
01:21:52,970 --> 01:21:49,770
where it needs to go mm-hmm so robbers

2040
01:21:55,010 --> 01:21:52,980
what you're saying is is that well you

2041
01:21:57,890 --> 01:21:55,020
know there was no urgent need at the

2042
01:22:00,680 --> 01:21:57,900
time but we are in this position where

2043
01:22:02,420 --> 01:22:00,690
we the cycle has come around again we

2044
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:02,430
have to stop making new airplanes again

2045
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:04,530
this is considered fourth generation I

2046
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:07,370
see actually fifth okay yeah so you know

2047
01:22:13,490 --> 01:22:12,000
f-22 f-35 so is that what you're saying

2048
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:13,500
is that well there's no real urgent need

2049
01:22:18,250 --> 01:22:16,320
so let's just you know everyone has this

2050
01:22:21,050 --> 01:22:18,260
say of what it carries what it does

2051
01:22:22,610 --> 01:22:21,060
cause keep going up they have a lot of

2052
01:22:24,170 --> 01:22:22,620
problems you know with testing one one

2053
01:22:26,660 --> 01:22:24,180
just show me something the attendant it

2054
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:26,670
said that someone claimed that today if

2055
01:22:32,540 --> 01:22:29,520
they ordered every f-35 to take off

2056
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:32,550
right now five out of six of them would

2057
01:22:36,620 --> 01:22:34,560
not be able to take off and that's such

2058
01:22:37,790 --> 01:22:36,630
a spurious figure when it's or something

2059
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:37,800
like that out there because you could to

2060
01:22:43,790 --> 01:22:39,930
that to almost any aircraft that's out

2061
01:22:45,710 --> 01:22:43,800
in the world right now right so I mean

2062
01:22:47,450 --> 01:22:45,720
now so let's go back to this military

2063
01:22:50,810 --> 01:22:47,460
complex thing that people are always

2064
01:22:53,690 --> 01:22:50,820
talking about was the real momentum

2065
01:22:55,820 --> 01:22:53,700
behind this just to sell 2500 of them

2066
01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:55,830
around the world and make billions of

2067
01:22:58,820 --> 01:22:57,930
dollars for was it who was it Boeing

2068
01:23:01,550 --> 01:22:58,830
Lockheed

2069
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:01,560
clucky not I don't I don't think so

2070
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:05,370
originally no but I it's it's it's

2071
01:23:10,130 --> 01:23:06,570
definitely an element but now would you

2072
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:10,140
say room yes that's certainly true so it

2073
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:12,090
is a politically unkillable project as

2074
01:23:15,710 --> 01:23:14,130
well so the debate is somewhat moot on

2075
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:15,720
my end I could argue against it but

2076
01:23:18,110 --> 01:23:17,130
we're still gonna produce quite a lot of

2077
01:23:20,030 --> 01:23:18,120
them I don't think we're gonna produce

2078
01:23:22,460 --> 01:23:20,040
2,500 I think we're gonna cut back I'm

2079
01:23:26,330 --> 01:23:22,470
not I don't know if all of our allies of

2080
01:23:29,390 --> 01:23:26,340
Canada has been reconsidering but you

2081
01:23:31,250 --> 01:23:29,400
know it's it's there are I believe 46

2082
01:23:34,010 --> 01:23:31,260
states that are receiving you know

2083
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:34,020
directly direct financial benefits from

2084
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:35,970
you know being involved in the f-35

2085
01:23:42,110 --> 01:23:38,490
program whether parts or services

2086
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:42,120
the only Alaska Hawaii Nebraska Wyoming

2087
01:23:45,860 --> 01:23:43,920
I think do not have any direct

2088
01:23:47,870 --> 01:23:45,870
connection so but you know also you

2089
01:23:51,410 --> 01:23:47,880
imagine in a major war world war to

2090
01:23:54,890 --> 01:23:51,420
which the United States was in for you

2091
01:23:57,470 --> 01:23:54,900
know four years less than that the you

2092
01:24:00,500 --> 01:23:57,480
know we produced a lot of aircraft very

2093
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:00,510
quickly and we didn't do it with part

2094
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:01,290
source from

2095
01:24:05,930 --> 01:24:03,570
six out of 50 states right this is a

2096
01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:05,940
this is a product of peace time the

2097
01:24:09,650 --> 01:24:07,920
effort e5 as I'm saying and so and it's

2098
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:09,660
legacies the Cold War and the Cold War

2099
01:24:13,340 --> 01:24:11,370
went away from it so this is the last

2100
01:24:15,410 --> 01:24:13,350
propellant out of that out of that

2101
01:24:18,050 --> 01:24:15,420
thinking they drove us into stealth and

2102
01:24:20,510 --> 01:24:18,060
the advanced technology is going to save

2103
01:24:23,060 --> 01:24:20,520
us right but it's also as he would I

2104
01:24:26,090 --> 01:24:23,070
think if I am a senior right it's also a

2105
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:26,100
sticky political prob problem I mean

2106
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:27,930
your industry you know that you don't go

2107
01:24:31,130 --> 01:24:29,730
to two states to build anything you

2108
01:24:33,020 --> 01:24:31,140
figure out how to spread it through as

2109
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:33,030
much of 50 states as you possibly can

2110
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:34,800
right I mean that's just business right

2111
01:24:39,230 --> 01:24:36,960
it is it is business but the thing is is

2112
01:24:40,970 --> 01:24:39,240
that to to say okay we're only gonna

2113
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:40,980
make like 500 of these things now you

2114
01:24:45,290 --> 01:24:43,440
affect so many people down the line so

2115
01:24:48,590 --> 01:24:45,300
many of our citizens job-wise

2116
01:24:49,580 --> 01:24:48,600
that as he says it would be impossible

2117
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:49,590
to kill this thing

2118
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:51,450
certainly not completely that I can see

2119
01:24:55,940 --> 01:24:53,850
them maybe you know coming back from

2120
01:24:58,280 --> 01:24:55,950
2,500 but here's the question is okay so

2121
01:24:59,540 --> 01:24:58,290
let's say they say okay we're only gonna

2122
01:25:02,270 --> 01:24:59,550
make a thousand of these like they were

2123
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:02,280
gonna do five hundred and fifty f-22s

2124
01:25:05,740 --> 01:25:03,410
and they want to say I think they're

2125
01:25:08,030 --> 01:25:05,750
think the original number is even higher

2126
01:25:09,950 --> 01:25:08,040
so let's say that they bring this number

2127
01:25:12,260 --> 01:25:09,960
down okay well what was the follow-on

2128
01:25:16,220 --> 01:25:12,270
now you it's not designing it now won't

2129
01:25:19,490 --> 01:25:16,230
be out for 18 years well they I think 18

2130
01:25:21,050 --> 01:25:19,500
years is a is that's I think one of the

2131
01:25:23,450 --> 01:25:21,060
big problems that we have with our

2132
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:23,460
developer procurement of our military

2133
01:25:26,750 --> 01:25:25,170
systems aircraft being at the at the

2134
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:26,760
point the end of this I think what it's

2135
01:25:31,100 --> 01:25:28,290
going to drive is the same thing we saw

2136
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:31,110
in the last 15 years we had completely

2137
01:25:34,730 --> 01:25:33,120
left the the whole forward air control

2138
01:25:37,460 --> 01:25:34,740
mission which has now morphed into what

2139
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:37,470
we call is our rst a reconnaissance

2140
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:39,600
surveillance tracking and targeting at

2141
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:41,970
target acquisition and now what do you

2142
01:25:49,490 --> 01:25:45,360
have you have the rise of the unmanned

2143
01:25:50,060 --> 01:25:49,500
aircraft that capability has risen to

2144
01:25:53,180 --> 01:25:50,070
prominence

2145
01:25:55,010 --> 01:25:53,190
you now have specialized aircraft that

2146
01:25:56,570 --> 01:25:55,020
have been cobbled together that don't

2147
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:56,580
look too impressive but what's on the

2148
01:26:00,470 --> 01:25:58,320
inside of them I flew one of them do the

2149
01:26:03,710 --> 01:26:00,480
job I do the job that go way on that and

2150
01:26:06,170 --> 01:26:03,720
now the f-35 is trying to embody a great

2151
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:06,180
deal of all these current mission areas

2152
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:07,890
that are on there and I think that

2153
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:09,330
that's what the solution is the solution

2154
01:26:14,210 --> 01:26:11,370
is whatever number shows up is going to

2155
01:26:15,139 --> 01:26:14,220
be other aircraft or other tactics that

2156
01:26:17,330 --> 01:26:15,149
are going to develop

2157
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:17,340
around it that allow you to do what you

2158
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:19,199
want to do to punch through is this is

2159
01:26:24,319 --> 01:26:21,090
the f-35 gonna be the last manned

2160
01:26:27,529 --> 01:26:24,329
aircraft negative you don't think so

2161
01:26:29,209 --> 01:26:27,539
absolutely no absolutely not the last

2162
01:26:32,839 --> 01:26:29,219
man fighter aircraft well I completely

2163
01:26:35,389 --> 01:26:32,849
disagree I I think it's incredibly the

2164
01:26:37,729 --> 01:26:35,399
this is such a course I'm biased because

2165
01:26:39,919 --> 01:26:37,739
as a pilot as an aviator I can't see how

2166
01:26:41,869 --> 01:26:39,929
I can't be still in the fight but that's

2167
01:26:44,299 --> 01:26:41,879
that could you have to qualify my

2168
01:26:46,129 --> 01:26:44,309
reaction but every time we go down this

2169
01:26:47,949 --> 01:26:46,139
line it's somehow it's gonna say we act

2170
01:26:51,139 --> 01:26:47,959
like we don't have the human in the loop

2171
01:26:53,239 --> 01:26:51,149
the human is in the loop and all our UAS

2172
01:26:54,529 --> 01:26:53,249
the problem I have with a lot of the us

2173
01:26:56,810 --> 01:26:54,539
this thing that's saving us from

2174
01:26:58,429 --> 01:26:56,820
ourselves supposedly is you have 42

2175
01:27:01,040 --> 01:26:58,439
people out of sight that are forward

2176
01:27:02,689 --> 01:27:01,050
deployed to let this go to get this

2177
01:27:04,489 --> 01:27:02,699
thing launched and recovered and to keep

2178
01:27:06,109 --> 01:27:04,499
the 24 Manning and then you're using a

2179
01:27:07,790 --> 01:27:06,119
satellite network that L says to

2180
01:27:09,529 --> 01:27:07,800
somebody like I don't know the Chinese

2181
01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:09,539
with their friends the North Koreans hey

2182
01:27:15,139 --> 01:27:12,719
maybe if we put to EMP pulses and we

2183
01:27:16,969 --> 01:27:15,149
knock down part just part of the

2184
01:27:18,770 --> 01:27:16,979
satellite network these guys won't be

2185
01:27:20,509 --> 01:27:18,780
able to put all their eggs there won't

2186
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:20,519
be to drop the eggs from the proverbial

2187
01:27:24,169 --> 01:27:22,320
basket because they've signed themselves

2188
01:27:25,790 --> 01:27:24,179
up for this but okay but but on the

2189
01:27:28,549 --> 01:27:25,800
other side of that is the reason that

2190
01:27:32,179 --> 01:27:28,559
the UAVs drones that they use a lot of

2191
01:27:35,540 --> 01:27:32,189
drones especially over Afghanistan

2192
01:27:36,830 --> 01:27:35,550
Pakistan Iraq is that it completely

2193
01:27:39,319 --> 01:27:36,840
takes out of the equation that you're

2194
01:27:41,149 --> 01:27:39,329
gonna have a pilot caption well I think

2195
01:27:43,069 --> 01:27:41,159
that that's part of it I think I think

2196
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:43,079
the real part of it if anybody really

2197
01:27:47,149 --> 01:27:45,449
believes I don't go too deep into it but

2198
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:47,159
I don't think anybody really cares that

2199
01:27:51,169 --> 01:27:48,719
much except the only people that are in

2200
01:27:53,029 --> 01:27:51,179
uniform about that I think it's easier

2201
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:53,039
for an administration to go and do

2202
01:27:57,020 --> 01:27:54,449
things that it wants to do and not have

2203
01:27:58,759 --> 01:27:57,030
that human element at the pointing and I

2204
01:28:00,379 --> 01:27:58,769
think that allowing to go with it but we

2205
01:28:02,750 --> 01:28:00,389
have fooled ourselves when it comes to

2206
01:28:04,850 --> 01:28:02,760
the UAS that somehow we're not actually

2207
01:28:06,919 --> 01:28:04,860
assassinating people or we're not doing

2208
01:28:09,469 --> 01:28:06,929
the kind of stuff that that'sthat's gone

2209
01:28:11,839 --> 01:28:09,479
on I say good well the good part with

2210
01:28:13,489 --> 01:28:11,849
standing or not when you we've we've

2211
01:28:15,290 --> 01:28:13,499
pulled out of that particular element of

2212
01:28:17,419 --> 01:28:15,300
it but the thing is you're flying around

2213
01:28:19,790 --> 01:28:17,429
aircraft that we have not had competed

2214
01:28:22,069 --> 01:28:19,800
all it's going to take is someone with a

2215
01:28:23,569 --> 01:28:22,079
lightly armed turboprop to fly behind

2216
01:28:25,849 --> 01:28:23,579
these things that are at cruising around

2217
01:28:27,709 --> 01:28:25,859
on 120 and start bagging them left and

2218
01:28:28,910 --> 01:28:27,719
right and all of a sudden now you can't

2219
01:28:30,590 --> 01:28:28,920
do what you used to

2220
01:28:32,030 --> 01:28:30,600
yeah but then at that point and it goes

2221
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:32,040
back to rouse point that you know our

2222
01:28:35,930 --> 01:28:34,050
military is the biggest of strong is the

2223
01:28:37,940 --> 01:28:35,940
most high-tech and at some point if

2224
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:37,950
someone started you know flying out

2225
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:39,360
literally playing behind one of these

2226
01:28:42,830 --> 01:28:41,520
drones and shooting it down we would

2227
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:42,840
just come up with something that could

2228
01:28:46,730 --> 01:28:45,360
shoot down that plane right so so let's

2229
01:28:48,260 --> 01:28:46,740
talk about that for one second because

2230
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:48,270
it goes right back to where we are at

2231
01:28:52,100 --> 01:28:50,880
the f-35 if you go down this pike you're

2232
01:28:53,930 --> 01:28:52,110
telling me now you're gonna take a

2233
01:28:55,970 --> 01:28:53,940
trillion-dollar fighter to go chase down

2234
01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:55,980
somebody in a third world or second

2235
01:28:59,480 --> 01:28:57,690
world country with a propeller or

2236
01:29:01,790 --> 01:28:59,490
turboprop airplane that's popping out

2237
01:29:03,980 --> 01:29:01,800
your UAS is and bring them down to do

2238
01:29:05,630 --> 01:29:03,990
this it's going to be difficult to do

2239
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:05,640
this is where Rob's argument about it

2240
01:29:10,010 --> 01:29:07,530
being a dog fighter it's going to be a

2241
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:10,020
sad day when somebody now because they

2242
01:29:12,860 --> 01:29:11,730
don't do low-level flying anymore we

2243
01:29:15,650 --> 01:29:12,870
don't do the air combat maneuvering

2244
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:15,660
anymore it's taken down or crashes into

2245
01:29:20,690 --> 01:29:19,050
the ground themselves we don't okay

2246
01:29:22,340 --> 01:29:20,700
don't need it also as well I mean you

2247
01:29:24,770 --> 01:29:22,350
said well we let's say we cut the pie to

2248
01:29:26,660 --> 01:29:24,780
a thousand no well the f-15 is still

2249
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:26,670
around yes sure and you know there's you

2250
01:29:32,090 --> 01:29:28,650
know these production line in the f-15

2251
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:32,100
ends next year Wow and running out

2252
01:29:38,210 --> 01:29:34,080
well the 18 is still around me you know

2253
01:29:40,220 --> 01:29:38,220
there's a lot of and the Cobras a tough

2254
01:29:41,330 --> 01:29:40,230
debate opponent because I'm a geek who

2255
01:29:44,570 --> 01:29:41,340
writes about this on the internet he's

2256
01:29:45,890 --> 01:29:44,580
an aviator so I you know that's but you

2257
01:29:50,270 --> 01:29:45,900
know I'm more of a geek than you are

2258
01:29:51,620 --> 01:29:50,280
rough because I'm in the I'm in the room

2259
01:29:55,580 --> 01:29:51,630
with them that's right you have

2260
01:29:56,900 --> 01:29:55,590
experience with with you know low cost

2261
01:29:58,940 --> 01:29:56,910
you know see if you want to do close air

2262
01:30:00,560 --> 01:29:58,950
support there's a lot of you know pretty

2263
01:30:03,260 --> 01:30:00,570
you know you know interesting great

2264
01:30:04,910 --> 01:30:03,270
sheep close air support aircraft we you

2265
01:30:06,050 --> 01:30:04,920
know that we can use and you know

2266
01:30:08,690 --> 01:30:06,060
there's other fighters out there that

2267
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:08,700
you know the Gripen Swedes produce a

2268
01:30:12,170 --> 01:30:10,170
very nice yeah the latest model is

2269
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:12,180
incredible air up them yeah I just heard

2270
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:14,010
today that Botswana wants to buy a bunch

2271
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:16,050
of them well who is if I can just break

2272
01:30:19,670 --> 01:30:18,210
in here for saying who's the opponent

2273
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:19,680
for the f-35 everyone's talking about

2274
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:21,120
how its kind of losing a dog fighter

2275
01:30:24,980 --> 01:30:23,250
who's kind of fighting against and what

2276
01:30:29,210 --> 01:30:24,990
what airplane I mean it we talk about

2277
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:29,220
Russia China so su-24 or something like

2278
01:30:31,190 --> 01:30:29,520
that

2279
01:30:34,610 --> 01:30:31,200
yeah there's a pretty maneuverable

2280
01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:34,620
Russian fighters but I mean that's

2281
01:30:38,210 --> 01:30:36,960
that's the biggest enemy I suppose maybe

2282
01:30:40,490 --> 01:30:38,220
there's no stealth fighters really that

2283
01:30:42,370 --> 01:30:40,500
what's going to go up against so so

2284
01:30:45,490 --> 01:30:42,380
doesn't it in a way it just isn't

2285
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:45,500
like your typical fighter but it's isn't

2286
01:30:48,370 --> 01:30:47,090
it just appearing on the battlefield at

2287
01:30:49,899 --> 01:30:48,380
just the right time where it you know

2288
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:49,909
you don't have to give it and we'll go

2289
01:30:53,020 --> 01:30:51,530
back to the old Eichmann you don't have

2290
01:30:54,459 --> 01:30:53,030
to get me in a dogfight because now we

2291
01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:54,469
have the technology to knock something

2292
01:30:59,200 --> 01:30:56,239
off before you even get close in for a

2293
01:31:00,910 --> 01:30:59,210
dogfight I mean doesn't isn't I'm gonna

2294
01:31:02,229 --> 01:31:00,920
give you guys what I think when you ask

2295
01:31:03,850 --> 01:31:02,239
me to get ready for this

2296
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:03,860
this is the best metaphor I can give you

2297
01:31:08,770 --> 01:31:06,170
a raw image to your reaction during

2298
01:31:10,450 --> 01:31:08,780
Vietnam we pulled away from our heavy

2299
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:10,460
rifle and we went with this thing called

2300
01:31:15,490 --> 01:31:13,489
the m16 and it had almost the equal kind

2301
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:15,500
of visceral uproar that we have with the

2302
01:31:20,500 --> 01:31:18,050
f-35 it's a piece of crap it doesn't

2303
01:31:22,030 --> 01:31:20,510
shoot it jams on and on and on then you

2304
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:22,040
had people stand there and saying you

2305
01:31:25,780 --> 01:31:23,449
can't use it when you run out of

2306
01:31:27,879 --> 01:31:25,790
ammunition like you can an m1 we are an

2307
01:31:30,580 --> 01:31:27,889
F whatever and you could run up and you

2308
01:31:32,919 --> 01:31:30,590
could use it as a club it's not big

2309
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:32,929
enough to put a good bayonet on because

2310
01:31:35,470 --> 01:31:34,130
everybody's saying look this is what we

2311
01:31:36,939 --> 01:31:35,480
did in Korea this will have done the

2312
01:31:38,770 --> 01:31:36,949
beginning part of Vietnam this is what

2313
01:31:41,140 --> 01:31:38,780
we did in World War two so we go through

2314
01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:41,150
this and what happens now you have an m4

2315
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:42,560
version that's come out it's probably

2316
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:45,530
the most prolific weapon system for the

2317
01:31:49,570 --> 01:31:47,810
infant's reef or in it it's it's it's

2318
01:31:51,459 --> 01:31:49,580
gone through and it still isn't

2319
01:31:54,970 --> 01:31:51,469
sufficient firepower for everybody that

2320
01:31:56,919 --> 01:31:54,980
wants to go out so we still have m-14s

2321
01:31:59,290 --> 01:31:56,929
and other types of weapon systems that

2322
01:32:02,439 --> 01:31:59,300
come out but the most prolific weapon is

2323
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:02,449
based on the m16 variant of this time

2324
01:32:07,510 --> 01:32:04,730
this is and it was a huge leap because

2325
01:32:08,770 --> 01:32:07,520
we went to the clip and the way we did

2326
01:32:10,750 --> 01:32:08,780
it but one of the arguments that was

2327
01:32:13,209 --> 01:32:10,760
brought out is you can't give that much

2328
01:32:14,979 --> 01:32:13,219
firepower to the infantry because they

2329
01:32:17,050 --> 01:32:14,989
can't be trained not to shoot all their

2330
01:32:18,669 --> 01:32:17,060
rounds off and go do that and you had

2331
01:32:21,610 --> 01:32:18,679
other proponents on much small group

2332
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:21,620
that said the ability to put so much

2333
01:32:24,430 --> 01:32:22,730
more firepower

2334
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:24,440
although albeit a little bit less

2335
01:32:28,990 --> 01:32:27,170
accurate it's a huge game-changer that's

2336
01:32:31,209 --> 01:32:29,000
the same thing that's happening here I

2337
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:31,219
think with the f-35 as an extrapolated

2338
01:32:36,340 --> 01:32:33,650
metaphor to where we are oh well okay so

2339
01:32:38,919 --> 01:32:36,350
I'll concede your point for the United

2340
01:32:42,459 --> 01:32:38,929
States that is true but that is not the

2341
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:42,469
case for many of the countries which are

2342
01:32:48,580 --> 01:32:44,480
buying f-35 so the Netherlands for

2343
01:32:52,030 --> 01:32:48,590
example they plan to replace all of

2344
01:32:54,970 --> 01:32:52,040
their fighter aircraft with f-35s that's

2345
01:32:56,140 --> 01:32:54,980
right that's all they'll have and so

2346
01:32:57,669 --> 01:32:56,150
you're not going to have

2347
01:33:00,160 --> 01:32:57,679
it's a bit of an apples to oranges

2348
01:33:01,870 --> 01:33:00,170
comparison but they're all in the bowl

2349
01:33:04,870 --> 01:33:01,880
good good good you're going yeah are you

2350
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:04,880
going not only that but they're gonna be

2351
01:33:08,740 --> 01:33:07,130
you know replacing their 16s there are

2352
01:33:10,870 --> 01:33:08,750
16s with these f-35s

2353
01:33:12,220 --> 01:33:10,880
but yes SEP 35 they're very very

2354
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:12,230
complicated aircraft they're pretty

2355
01:33:19,180 --> 01:33:15,290
expensive and they're incredibly time

2356
01:33:20,709 --> 01:33:19,190
consuming to maintain so I've shown you

2357
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:20,719
that the Dutch Air Force

2358
01:33:24,669 --> 01:33:22,850
you seen the Dutch Jeff Lewis is cheap

2359
01:33:26,770 --> 01:33:24,679
and lazy is that what you just said

2360
01:33:29,649 --> 01:33:26,780
I'm I guarantee you that the Dutch Air

2361
01:33:31,890 --> 01:33:29,659
Force is going to have to find ways to

2362
01:33:34,090 --> 01:33:31,900
cut costs to pay for these things over

2363
01:33:35,410 --> 01:33:34,100
you know decades they're gonna have them

2364
01:33:37,209 --> 01:33:35,420
and they're you know they're gonna Rob

2365
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:37,219
you know I was there trading I was there

2366
01:33:40,959 --> 01:33:39,170
when the Dutch started to get the f-16 I

2367
01:33:43,540 --> 01:33:40,969
heard exactly the same argument in the

2368
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:43,550
eighties that you know for the the

2369
01:33:48,220 --> 01:33:46,130
smaller NATO nations this was a huge

2370
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:48,230
change for them and what was going to

2371
01:33:52,270 --> 01:33:50,330
happen and I can I can tell you from my

2372
01:33:54,220 --> 01:33:52,280
own personal experience of being in

2373
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:54,230
different weapons schools with Dutch

2374
01:34:01,090 --> 01:33:57,050
chance and and and Brits and their whole

2375
01:34:03,820 --> 01:34:01,100
rest of them it has a way that it works

2376
01:34:06,490 --> 01:34:03,830
itself out now I think that there's a

2377
01:34:10,930 --> 01:34:06,500
there's a definite possibility that when

2378
01:34:12,820 --> 01:34:10,940
you get into areas like the the cost the

2379
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:12,830
difference is is that these packages

2380
01:34:16,899 --> 01:34:15,170
have to come in with the the flight and

2381
01:34:18,820 --> 01:34:16,909
weapon simulators that go with it

2382
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:18,830
we're gonna spend a lot of our time not

2383
01:34:23,979 --> 01:34:21,010
actually flying the aircraft but flying

2384
01:34:25,780 --> 01:34:23,989
the the simulator and you think that do

2385
01:34:28,390 --> 01:34:25,790
you wait so do you think that it makes

2386
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:28,400
up for pilot training I mean no no I

2387
01:34:32,620 --> 01:34:31,010
don't rub I'll tell you what my biggest

2388
01:34:34,930 --> 01:34:32,630
concern and I think what the f-35 is

2389
01:34:37,540 --> 01:34:34,940
going to force us to go back to we keep

2390
01:34:38,950 --> 01:34:37,550
cutting back on hours on actual flight

2391
01:34:40,570 --> 01:34:38,960
hours and everyone's well that's how we

2392
01:34:42,189 --> 01:34:40,580
cut the cost well we're problem when you

2393
01:34:43,630 --> 01:34:42,199
cut the cost is the maintainer --zz

2394
01:34:46,180 --> 01:34:43,640
aren't maintaining as much as they used

2395
01:34:47,950 --> 01:34:46,190
to so they can't do it in a surge the

2396
01:34:49,930 --> 01:34:47,960
guys who and gals who lift the bombs

2397
01:34:51,100 --> 01:34:49,940
onto the airplane don't do it as often

2398
01:34:53,470 --> 01:34:51,110
as they used to because it's too

2399
01:34:54,970 --> 01:34:53,480
expensive the drop bombs and you keep

2400
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:54,980
going further and further down this

2401
01:34:59,200 --> 01:34:57,770
spiral of this and that one or two

2402
01:35:01,689 --> 01:34:59,210
things happens you're gonna get your ass

2403
01:35:03,490 --> 01:35:01,699
handed to you or you're going to find a

2404
01:35:05,229 --> 01:35:03,500
cheaper alternative where you're gonna

2405
01:35:06,669 --> 01:35:05,239
have people spend maybe a couple

2406
01:35:09,700 --> 01:35:06,679
thousand hours and a less costly

2407
01:35:12,090 --> 01:35:09,710
airplane and then move into the f-35

2408
01:35:17,590 --> 01:35:12,100
probably me just ask you this okay if

2409
01:35:20,500 --> 01:35:17,600
this you know f-35 is such a you know s

2410
01:35:23,140 --> 01:35:20,510
box okay if it's like as bad as everyone

2411
01:35:25,060 --> 01:35:23,150
is saying how can all these countries

2412
01:35:26,890 --> 01:35:25,070
around the world be fooled you know I

2413
01:35:28,630 --> 01:35:26,900
mean I can imagine that you know the

2414
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:28,640
defense minister from the Netherlands or

2415
01:35:32,830 --> 01:35:31,130
whatever you know he's you know shown a

2416
01:35:35,979 --> 01:35:32,840
good time by the Air Force or by

2417
01:35:37,390 --> 01:35:35,989
Lockheed and but you know I mean he's

2418
01:35:38,770 --> 01:35:37,400
gonna have to report to someone to say

2419
01:35:40,090 --> 01:35:38,780
this thing you know does this pretty

2420
01:35:41,620 --> 01:35:40,100
good does this pretty good does this

2421
01:35:43,390 --> 01:35:41,630
pretty good I mean it's gonna be

2422
01:35:45,010 --> 01:35:43,400
something good about it that are all

2423
01:35:47,170 --> 01:35:45,020
these people I mean are we saying all

2424
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:47,180
these people who procure these the

2425
01:35:51,670 --> 01:35:49,730
Israelis the the Dutch the Norwegians I

2426
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:51,680
know how could they all be stupid one

2427
01:35:57,310 --> 01:35:54,770
them well yeah I mean each country is

2428
01:35:59,140 --> 01:35:57,320
different and I mean the United States

2429
01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:59,150
made it an American plane I think that

2430
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:01,040
alone has a lot of there's a lot of

2431
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:03,770
political momentum absolutely

2432
01:36:10,900 --> 01:36:09,170
the and also I mean you know the there's

2433
01:36:13,450 --> 01:36:10,910
not a lot of other options because you

2434
01:36:16,390 --> 01:36:13,460
know the you can buy what the French

2435
01:36:17,740 --> 01:36:16,400
Rafal the the typhoon the your fighter

2436
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:17,750
plane there's nothing there's nothing

2437
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:20,090
that's coming anywhere close third or

2438
01:36:23,860 --> 01:36:21,650
fourth generation right and I mean and

2439
01:36:28,060 --> 01:36:23,870
and some individual countries have their

2440
01:36:30,330 --> 01:36:28,070
own you know they're upgrading the f-35

2441
01:36:32,290 --> 01:36:30,340
oh so Israel has a pretty interesting

2442
01:36:35,170 --> 01:36:32,300
version that they're going to get there

2443
01:36:37,330 --> 01:36:35,180
they have their own domestically

2444
01:36:40,330 --> 01:36:37,340
produced upgrades they're gonna add to

2445
01:36:42,670 --> 01:36:40,340
it so it's it's you know but I I think a

2446
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:42,680
lot of its political though right I get

2447
01:36:47,170 --> 01:36:43,850
a feeling that we should probably copy

2448
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:47,180
the Israeli model you guys if you're

2449
01:36:51,370 --> 01:36:49,610
fighting in close there's there's has a

2450
01:36:53,470 --> 01:36:51,380
particular part and that's one of the

2451
01:36:55,540 --> 01:36:53,480
reasons that I think that it's going to

2452
01:36:56,979 --> 01:36:55,550
have some capability air-to-air because

2453
01:36:58,360 --> 01:36:56,989
the Israelis are not going to get into a

2454
01:37:01,270 --> 01:36:58,370
situation where they can't defend

2455
01:37:03,220 --> 01:37:01,280
themselves or exploit that Rob one last

2456
01:37:04,990 --> 01:37:03,230
question is the f-35 is it you know

2457
01:37:07,180 --> 01:37:05,000
modular if you know what I mean is it is

2458
01:37:08,410 --> 01:37:07,190
it it's a design that you know five

2459
01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:08,420
years from now there might be some

2460
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:09,920
weapons system we don't even know about

2461
01:37:15,490 --> 01:37:11,210
it'll be oh that's you know kind of

2462
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:15,500
attach it i it's it's difficult but it's

2463
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:17,690
possible but yeah there's a lot of

2464
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:19,040
weight rob was robbed wouldn't you agree

2465
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:21,290
that it can't be anything external I

2466
01:37:23,530 --> 01:37:22,730
mean obviously though they'll carry

2467
01:37:24,910 --> 01:37:23,540
externals on

2468
01:37:26,940 --> 01:37:24,920
at some point and completely ruin its

2469
01:37:30,370 --> 01:37:26,950
capability we did that with the f-16

2470
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:30,380
there's no doubt about that but do you

2471
01:37:34,480 --> 01:37:32,960
think yeah what happens though Mac is

2472
01:37:35,950 --> 01:37:34,490
when you build an aircraft like this we

2473
01:37:38,620 --> 01:37:35,960
goes forward didn't you say okay here's

2474
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:38,630
what we have for the the armament

2475
01:37:42,370 --> 01:37:40,730
compartment whatever you want has to fit

2476
01:37:43,690 --> 01:37:42,380
inside there right so I never to believe

2477
01:37:45,460 --> 01:37:43,700
the electronics of the signal

2478
01:37:46,780 --> 01:37:45,470
intelligence variant that comes out it's

2479
01:37:48,220 --> 01:37:46,790
going to fit inside there and then we'll

2480
01:37:50,050 --> 01:37:48,230
start doing things like sticking

2481
01:37:52,930 --> 01:37:50,060
antennas on it and say okay we're gonna

2482
01:37:55,060 --> 01:37:52,940
cut away some of its stealth and go but

2483
01:37:57,220 --> 01:37:55,070
I heart though I think that b-52 for

2484
01:37:58,720 --> 01:37:57,230
instance you know I mean started off the

2485
01:38:00,610 --> 01:37:58,730
whole idea was to drop these big nuclear

2486
01:38:02,230 --> 01:38:00,620
bombs and now they're things that you

2487
01:38:03,970 --> 01:38:02,240
know kind of rotary launches you know

2488
01:38:05,380 --> 01:38:03,980
they can lunch a whole variation of

2489
01:38:07,090 --> 01:38:05,390
weapons and stuff like that they've

2490
01:38:09,310 --> 01:38:07,100
really adapted these things how do we

2491
01:38:11,710 --> 01:38:09,320
know the f-35 is gonna be very adaptable

2492
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:11,720
one five or six years you're gonna wind

2493
01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:13,250
up with some externals I mean to the end

2494
01:38:16,030 --> 01:38:14,480
of the Israelis are working on some of

2495
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:16,040
that and I mean if you what I had a

2496
01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:16,490
drange

2497
01:38:20,440 --> 01:38:18,080
range to this thing you're gonna need to

2498
01:38:21,940 --> 01:38:20,450
add drop ranks and right well let me

2499
01:38:23,410 --> 01:38:21,950
look it's tightly it's a very tightly

2500
01:38:25,300 --> 01:38:23,420
packed aircraft they tried to cut back

2501
01:38:27,940 --> 01:38:25,310
so it's almost a closed system in a way

2502
01:38:30,100 --> 01:38:27,950
hey yeah so the bottom line of this is

2503
01:38:31,630 --> 01:38:30,110
that you know we could argue here for

2504
01:38:33,910 --> 01:38:31,640
hours and days but we're stuck with

2505
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:33,920
these things right pretty much well

2506
01:38:38,290 --> 01:38:36,050
stuck on your part may be an opportunity

2507
01:38:39,940 --> 01:38:38,300
a little bit for my part mm-hmm okay

2508
01:38:42,580 --> 01:38:39,950
that sounds filthy in a way but okay

2509
01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:42,590
we're gonna close the debate on that Rob

2510
01:38:45,700 --> 01:38:44,480
back positiv war is boring thanks very

2511
01:38:48,010 --> 01:38:45,710
much for joining us actually you're

2512
01:38:49,990 --> 01:38:48,020
gonna stick around for operation system

2513
01:38:52,570 --> 01:38:50,000
thunder can you plug your from your

2514
01:38:54,940 --> 01:38:52,580
website and your blog yeah we're at war

2515
01:38:56,530 --> 01:38:54,950
is boring calm and we write about all

2516
01:38:59,050 --> 01:38:56,540
things military yes one of the greatest

2517
01:39:02,170 --> 01:38:59,060
sights on the unit it really is the best

2518
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:02,180
military rabb reporting anywhere it

2519
01:39:05,650 --> 01:39:03,770
really is you learn something different

2520
01:39:07,150 --> 01:39:05,660
every day it's just fascinating we're

2521
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:07,160
gonna take a break now and we're gonna

2522
01:39:11,380 --> 01:39:09,410
be back with Operation distant Thunder

2523
01:39:13,540 --> 01:39:11,390
so this is Mac Maloney my Mac knowledge

2524
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:13,550
military exercise show fought WOM want

2525
01:39:18,850 --> 01:39:15,290
commander Rob back house we're all gonna

2526
01:39:22,510 --> 01:39:20,770
welcome back it went back money's

2527
01:39:24,700 --> 01:39:22,520
military exercise show here on the

2528
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:24,710
public shaming network the spent money

2529
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:26,480
and the studio with us tonight

2530
01:39:30,819 --> 01:39:28,730
commander cobra is here the feb

2531
01:39:33,339 --> 01:39:30,829
remembers Juan Juan is here on the phone

2532
01:39:35,290 --> 01:39:33,349
with us Rob back housing it's here an

2533
01:39:38,350 --> 01:39:35,300
word this is the operation distant

2534
01:39:40,930 --> 01:39:38,360
thunder portion of the show throw it

2535
01:39:43,149 --> 01:39:40,940
over to the commander who has all the

2536
01:39:44,830 --> 01:39:43,159
latest juice about operations distant

2537
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:44,840
thunder commander with us thank you very

2538
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:47,360
much Mack Rob thank you for again for

2539
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:49,250
your participation on let me participate

2540
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:51,770
with you on the war war is boring

2541
01:39:56,709 --> 01:39:55,010
segment yo one of the things that we

2542
01:39:59,649 --> 01:39:56,719
want to talk about operation distant

2543
01:40:02,890 --> 01:39:59,659
thunder the operation distant thunder at

2544
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:02,900
gmail.com all one word operation just

2545
01:40:07,569 --> 01:40:05,449
another at gmail.com is our linking site

2546
01:40:11,169 --> 01:40:07,579
to people who we treat it as a day drop

2547
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:11,179
or drop fox for things that people want

2548
01:40:15,310 --> 01:40:13,280
us to investigate conspiracy things they

2549
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:15,320
brought up we're getting ready to talk

2550
01:40:24,700 --> 01:40:21,650
about the 1930s era possible businessman

2551
01:40:26,830 --> 01:40:24,710
military figure coup with the upcoming

2552
01:40:28,359 --> 01:40:26,840
political situation this one is pretty

2553
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:28,369
amazing and I think the other part

2554
01:40:32,859 --> 01:40:30,320
that's amazing is when I did we're doing

2555
01:40:35,140 --> 01:40:32,869
the research on it now this thing is

2556
01:40:37,149 --> 01:40:35,150
classic conspiracy it's all over the

2557
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:37,159
place you've got folks saying and how it

2558
01:40:41,020 --> 01:40:38,570
went one way and it's gone the other

2559
01:40:42,220 --> 01:40:41,030
that's coming up in the next couple of

2560
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:42,230
weeks probably gonna be a part of our

2561
01:40:48,189 --> 01:40:45,679
opening only expand the distant thunder

2562
01:40:50,740 --> 01:40:48,199
radio network but I've had a lot of

2563
01:40:53,979 --> 01:40:50,750
contact with Vietnam era vets and going

2564
01:40:56,319 --> 01:40:53,989
this is the week leading into the

2565
01:40:57,459 --> 01:40:56,329
weekend of Memorial Day and I get a

2566
01:40:58,810 --> 01:40:57,469
little bit choked up when I talk about

2567
01:41:01,030 --> 01:40:58,820
this because Memorial Day has become

2568
01:41:04,689 --> 01:41:01,040
probably one of the toughest holidays

2569
01:41:07,930 --> 01:41:04,699
for me to get through because as time

2570
01:41:09,459 --> 01:41:07,940
has gone by when it was parades and as a

2571
01:41:12,549 --> 01:41:09,469
kid and barbecues

2572
01:41:15,430 --> 01:41:12,559
I spent one of the the most critical

2573
01:41:18,069 --> 01:41:15,440
Memorial days I spent in Iraq and I had

2574
01:41:19,780 --> 01:41:18,079
landed the plane at the souther airfield

2575
01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:19,790
which was part of victory base at

2576
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:22,639
Baghdad and why I'm running around and

2577
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:24,170
the guy that I'm supposed to pick up and

2578
01:41:28,859 --> 01:41:25,730
do this mission with is late and it's

2579
01:41:31,689 --> 01:41:28,869
hot and it's it's a nest of nasty day to

2580
01:41:32,530 --> 01:41:31,699
medevac Black Hawks come in and they

2581
01:41:34,900 --> 01:41:32,540
land

2582
01:41:36,580 --> 01:41:34,910
and they are taking a heck of a long

2583
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:36,590
time there on the ramp my little

2584
01:41:40,510 --> 01:41:38,210
airplanes getting bounced around on the

2585
01:41:42,940 --> 01:41:40,520
ramp and I'm getting a little bit

2586
01:41:44,440 --> 01:41:42,950
perturbed with them because of how long

2587
01:41:46,060 --> 01:41:44,450
they're running their aircraft and it

2588
01:41:47,500 --> 01:41:46,070
just seems like you know come on guys do

2589
01:41:50,020 --> 01:41:47,510
what you have to do and let's go type

2590
01:41:52,990 --> 01:41:50,030
thing and then as I come out of one of

2591
01:41:58,630 --> 01:41:53,000
the porta-johns I see it and I realize

2592
01:42:01,360 --> 01:41:58,640
how absolutely insignificant I really am

2593
01:42:02,980 --> 01:42:01,370
what had happened was as we had a

2594
01:42:04,810 --> 01:42:02,990
casualty and was someone that was killed

2595
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:04,820
in action and they were setting it up

2596
01:42:09,370 --> 01:42:07,010
properly to cover the body on the litter

2597
01:42:11,350 --> 01:42:09,380
with the flag and the guys that worked

2598
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:11,360
the guys and gals that worked at the the

2599
01:42:16,170 --> 01:42:13,010
medevac station they were there at the

2600
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:16,180
hospital and they did one of the most

2601
01:42:21,340 --> 01:42:18,530
impressive ceremonies of taking this

2602
01:42:22,660 --> 01:42:21,350
person from the aircraft to the the

2603
01:42:25,150 --> 01:42:22,670
folks that were going to receive it and

2604
01:42:26,770 --> 01:42:25,160
I'm telling you I had tears my eyes and

2605
01:42:29,590 --> 01:42:26,780
they're coming back now as I think about

2606
01:42:32,290 --> 01:42:29,600
it and it really fused to me what

2607
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:32,300
Memorial Day is and these Vietnam era

2608
01:42:35,890 --> 01:42:34,250
vets that have been contacting me good

2609
01:42:37,480 --> 01:42:35,900
that'll listening to the show one of

2610
01:42:39,220 --> 01:42:37,490
them was very funny Holly described it

2611
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:39,230
you know I have an enlarged prostate I'm

2612
01:42:43,060 --> 01:42:41,600
up all the time now I love this internet

2613
01:42:44,980 --> 01:42:43,070
thing I don't understand how it works I

2614
01:42:46,930 --> 01:42:44,990
found your show and you know it's it's

2615
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:46,940
great mix of humor and stuff that's

2616
01:42:51,550 --> 01:42:49,610
going on that's and I have a great debt

2617
01:42:53,980 --> 01:42:51,560
to the Vietnam era vets because those

2618
01:42:56,410 --> 01:42:53,990
are the guys and gals who trained me

2619
01:42:58,030 --> 01:42:56,420
when I was coming up in the late 70s and

2620
01:43:00,790 --> 01:42:58,040
80s that was the era that was the

2621
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:00,800
instructor mile it's the the NCOs and

2622
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:04,810
the Chiefs that were shepherding so on

2623
01:43:13,150 --> 01:43:10,250
so first thing I have helped about six

2624
01:43:16,810 --> 01:43:13,160
of these Vietnam era vets with this

2625
01:43:21,610 --> 01:43:16,820
Vietnam War 50th anniversary triple W

2626
01:43:26,890 --> 01:43:21,620
Vietnam War 50th 5 0 th com that's

2627
01:43:29,620 --> 01:43:26,900
Vietnam War 5 0 th com is a website to

2628
01:43:31,810 --> 01:43:29,630
go to there is a commemorative pen and a

2629
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:31,820
certificate for everyone that was a

2630
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:35,690
Vietnam War era veteran and I've helped

2631
01:43:38,950 --> 01:43:37,250
a lot of them find the site I've

2632
01:43:40,630 --> 01:43:38,960
actually filled it up for a few guys who

2633
01:43:43,870 --> 01:43:40,640
seemed a little bit intimidated by the

2634
01:43:46,060 --> 01:43:43,880
site and I've signed up distant Thunder

2635
01:43:48,669 --> 01:43:46,070
as a partner

2636
01:43:50,919 --> 01:43:48,679
for this program and I want everyone

2637
01:43:52,629 --> 01:43:50,929
that that knows a Vietnam vet that's

2638
01:43:55,750 --> 01:43:52,639
that is one that listens to the show of

2639
01:43:59,050 --> 01:43:55,760
that era to to sign up and get some of

2640
01:44:01,209 --> 01:43:59,060
the rightfully owed and probably much

2641
01:44:03,819 --> 01:44:01,219
much overdue because if anybody out of

2642
01:44:05,979 --> 01:44:03,829
one group didn't get a lot of respect

2643
01:44:07,959 --> 01:44:05,989
coming back even the Korean War vets

2644
01:44:10,149 --> 01:44:07,969
were not looked upon and that was a

2645
01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:10,159
pretty messy situation as well but

2646
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:12,560
Vietnam had a certain you got caught up

2647
01:44:17,530 --> 01:44:15,650
in a certain social political sphere

2648
01:44:19,660 --> 01:44:17,540
that definitely detracted from our

2649
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:19,670
veterans through the website again that

2650
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:24,650
website is triple W Vietnam War all

2651
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:28,489
one-word no-spaces the numbers 5 0 th

2652
01:44:33,129 --> 01:44:31,250
calm and if you just put it into a

2653
01:44:35,830 --> 01:44:33,139
google type search engine right off the

2654
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:35,840
bat and say Vietnam War 50th you'll see

2655
01:44:43,060 --> 01:44:40,730
this site come up ok ok so that is I

2656
01:44:46,330 --> 01:44:43,070
have a couple hollows one is to Jimmy ji

2657
01:44:48,129 --> 01:44:46,340
mi who contacted me and he helped hook

2658
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:48,139
up with the site and we started

2659
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:51,170
correspondence I have a great friend

2660
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:52,610
that I've made who just sent me a

2661
01:44:58,330 --> 01:44:55,250
newsletter from his group the c7

2662
01:44:59,800 --> 01:44:58,340
organization the c7 was the caribou

2663
01:45:01,060 --> 01:44:59,810
airplane that they flew on and he gave

2664
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:01,070
us some tips and some very interesting

2665
01:45:04,300 --> 01:45:02,449
missions that they did and things that

2666
01:45:06,580 --> 01:45:04,310
he was involved in on the periphery so

2667
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:06,590
Roger I say hello and I'd like to

2668
01:45:12,220 --> 01:45:08,690
recognize they took the time to send to

2669
01:45:15,459 --> 01:45:12,230
me mr. Harold Meyers senior who passed

2670
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:15,469
away not too long ago he was a flight

2671
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:19,130
engineer on the c7 and the 537 Tactical

2672
01:45:23,379 --> 01:45:21,650
Air Support Squadron which has a dear

2673
01:45:25,030 --> 01:45:23,389
part in my heart because I was a member

2674
01:45:30,550 --> 01:45:25,040
of the 6o first tactical air support

2675
01:45:34,180 --> 01:45:30,560
squadron in Germany in 66 and I think

2676
01:45:35,770 --> 01:45:34,190
it's a absolutely phenomenal thing that

2677
01:45:38,229 --> 01:45:35,780
these guys are honoring me with by you

2678
01:45:42,310 --> 01:45:38,239
mean taking the time to write me and ask

2679
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:42,320
me and give me some some good stuff it

2680
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:44,480
has been it's been a big part and I

2681
01:45:49,060 --> 01:45:47,449
think it's critical to link Vietnam era

2682
01:45:50,979 --> 01:45:49,070
guys with the generation that's coming

2683
01:45:53,919 --> 01:45:50,989
up now because they have about the same

2684
01:45:55,810 --> 01:45:53,929
displacement in time as I did as a young

2685
01:45:58,540 --> 01:45:55,820
guy going up with guys in World War two

2686
01:45:59,390 --> 01:45:58,550
and that's that's almost like they've

2687
01:46:02,120 --> 01:45:59,400
never heard of it

2688
01:46:04,190 --> 01:46:02,130
it's definitely is not a rebel in

2689
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:04,200
Florida going on right so Roth no

2690
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:05,970
nothing Rob I want to ask you one

2691
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:07,530
question have you guys been tracking at

2692
01:46:12,980 --> 01:46:09,810
Moore's burn boring anything about the

2693
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:12,990
the canine military guys who've been

2694
01:46:16,130 --> 01:46:14,610
trying to get their dogs when their dogs

2695
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:16,140
are retired or when they leave the

2696
01:46:21,650 --> 01:46:19,170
military and how they are then they've

2697
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:21,660
been overlooked and the dogs have been

2698
01:46:27,380 --> 01:46:24,960
they haven't the the the the regulation

2699
01:46:29,510 --> 01:46:27,390
or the policy is that you're supposed to

2700
01:46:32,480 --> 01:46:29,520
have the first opportunity to adopt your

2701
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:32,490
dog and a number of guys have not been

2702
01:46:36,620 --> 01:46:34,290
able to get it and they found out their

2703
01:46:38,060 --> 01:46:36,630
dogs have been actually adopted they

2704
01:46:40,700 --> 01:46:38,070
were put up for adoption and taken by

2705
01:46:42,230 --> 01:46:40,710
other people and not that anything this

2706
01:46:43,940 --> 01:46:42,240
looks like any kind of MIS character

2707
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:43,950
these dogs at all it's a fairly well

2708
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:45,840
vetted program they're just angry

2709
01:46:50,090 --> 01:46:47,850
because they have a bond with the dog

2710
01:46:52,550 --> 01:46:50,100
that they served with to the point of

2711
01:46:54,230 --> 01:46:52,560
almost like serving with another human

2712
01:46:56,150 --> 01:46:54,240
and a couple canine handles explained me

2713
01:46:58,610 --> 01:46:56,160
it's even more in-depth than what

2714
01:47:01,940 --> 01:46:58,620
they've dealt with with another person

2715
01:47:03,830 --> 01:47:01,950
the bond between the the dog and the and

2716
01:47:05,480 --> 01:47:03,840
the soldier I thought was built into the

2717
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:05,490
process that the soldier would have the

2718
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:08,730
first it's supposed to be and this one

2719
01:47:12,380 --> 01:47:10,650
guy he's actually working pretty hard

2720
01:47:14,780 --> 01:47:12,390
trying to get his dog which is has been

2721
01:47:16,250 --> 01:47:14,790
released and adopted by as a civilian

2722
01:47:18,050 --> 01:47:16,260
family in North Carolina and he was

2723
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:18,060
offered a therapy dog and he says I

2724
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:20,370
can't even entertain thinking of another

2725
01:47:25,310 --> 01:47:23,970
dog his dog is there's some legislation

2726
01:47:26,870 --> 01:47:25,320
that's been introduced in the house to

2727
01:47:28,700 --> 01:47:26,880
get this corrected and straightened out

2728
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:28,710
but I'd like to call attention to all

2729
01:47:34,100 --> 01:47:30,690
the listeners that we have on our show

2730
01:47:38,510 --> 01:47:34,110
and distant thunder that this one may

2731
01:47:42,170 --> 01:47:38,520
seem to be a not a critical thing but

2732
01:47:44,810 --> 01:47:42,180
this is the this bond with soldiers and

2733
01:47:47,900 --> 01:47:44,820
sailors and Marines and airmen with

2734
01:47:50,390 --> 01:47:47,910
their with their working dogs is is

2735
01:47:50,870 --> 01:47:50,400
probably as critical if not more in some

2736
01:47:53,150 --> 01:47:50,880
cases

2737
01:47:54,740 --> 01:47:53,160
than it was with the other soldiers and

2738
01:47:56,720 --> 01:47:54,750
sales and airline Airmen that they serve

2739
01:47:59,750 --> 01:47:56,730
with so at war was boring we did a story

2740
01:48:02,360 --> 01:47:59,760
in December about I was a specialist

2741
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:02,370
andrew brown and rocky there was a the

2742
01:48:07,310 --> 01:48:04,770
two to twenty six military police

2743
01:48:10,700 --> 01:48:07,320
detachment and haven't haven't done a

2744
01:48:13,290 --> 01:48:10,710
story on it since i would really like to

2745
01:48:16,020 --> 01:48:13,300
so if actually our contact in from

2746
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:16,030
we really do depend on you know our

2747
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:19,570
sources so and our readers so if you go

2748
01:48:23,460 --> 01:48:21,370
to Wars boring calm you can actually you

2749
01:48:25,620 --> 01:48:23,470
can find contact information for us also

2750
01:48:27,870 --> 01:48:25,630
for Vietnam we do we like new Viet Nam's

2751
01:48:30,420 --> 01:48:27,880
articles about Vietnam so people who do

2752
01:48:33,060 --> 01:48:30,430
want to share their stories like to

2753
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:33,070
provide a platform well we're uh what

2754
01:48:36,420 --> 01:48:35,050
I'd like to be they do as we and

2755
01:48:37,980 --> 01:48:36,430
hopefully we'll bring up our website

2756
01:48:40,230 --> 01:48:37,990
here in the not-too-distant future will

2757
01:48:42,060 --> 01:48:40,240
hook and war is borrowing on that and

2758
01:48:45,330 --> 01:48:42,070
have the the Dropbox and anyone that

2759
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:45,340
contacts me with good contact points I

2760
01:48:49,380 --> 01:48:47,890
will bring to you as well as we have in

2761
01:48:50,850 --> 01:48:49,390
the past you know we've always kind of

2762
01:48:52,950 --> 01:48:50,860
scented on either aircraft or other

2763
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:52,960
major weapon systems and stuff like that

2764
01:48:57,420 --> 01:48:55,360
but there's a couple of the the veteran

2765
01:48:58,920 --> 01:48:57,430
type issues that are going on that I

2766
01:49:01,230 --> 01:48:58,930
think it's it's an important one to

2767
01:49:02,180 --> 01:49:01,240
bring up let's do it yeah that sounds

2768
01:49:06,150 --> 01:49:02,190
great

2769
01:49:09,390 --> 01:49:06,160
sounds good tomato so Rob thank you

2770
01:49:10,980 --> 01:49:09,400
again for our earlier discussion thanks

2771
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:10,990
for the support with Operation distant

2772
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:13,930
Thunder and I would like to just take

2773
01:49:18,300 --> 01:49:16,090
the moment to salute all our veterans

2774
01:49:20,460 --> 01:49:18,310
and all those folks active duty that are

2775
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:20,470
serving now that listen to the show

2776
01:49:25,260 --> 01:49:23,050
continue up the the good info with us

2777
01:49:27,150 --> 01:49:25,270
I love the contact and I try to answer

2778
01:49:30,300 --> 01:49:27,160
every one of your emails that comes up

2779
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:30,310
and Mac and Juan Juan and EH and ex they

2780
01:49:34,530 --> 01:49:32,770
all get a chance to look at it yeah

2781
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:34,540
correct my English usually when I say

2782
01:49:38,340 --> 01:49:36,610
something off-color I'm very careful not

2783
01:49:39,810 --> 01:49:38,350
to because I'm under the flag of the

2784
01:49:42,060 --> 01:49:39,820
distant Thunder Network

2785
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:42,070
I love the CAG that's get ahold of some

2786
01:49:46,860 --> 01:49:44,770
of those letters and it's an inside joke

2787
01:49:48,750 --> 01:49:46,870
folks at Rob thanks for joining us and

2788
01:49:51,210 --> 01:49:48,760
it said now time to end the show believe

2789
01:49:52,830 --> 01:49:51,220
it or not I found math is right thank

2790
01:49:54,810 --> 01:49:52,840
you for everyone listening thanks for

2791
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:54,820
housing thanks to switchboard Steve

2792
01:50:00,540 --> 01:49:57,360
switchboard Steve switchblade Steve

2793
01:50:03,180 --> 01:50:00,550
switch placed ofwhat up in Michigan and

2794
01:50:05,430 --> 01:50:03,190
thanks my listeners and we'll be back in

2795
01:50:08,750 --> 01:50:05,440
a couple weeks and your friend is gonna

2796
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:08,760
be on the show Rob Beck housing um

2797
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:11,890
Benedetta ajan Terry is gonna be

2798
01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:13,210
drilling it I came back from the war

2799
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:15,040
back from the wall literally back from

2800
01:50:20,010 --> 01:50:17,530
the wall she was in better with the with

2801
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:20,020
the Kurds and she's gonna be on a show

2802
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:21,250
in a couple weeks

2803
01:50:25,890 --> 01:50:23,410
so until then we'll have a repeat next

2804
01:50:26,790 --> 01:50:25,900
week but until next new show in a couple

2805
01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:26,800
weeks this

2806
01:50:30,870 --> 01:50:29,170
is back Maloney for one one see you

2807
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:30,880
later Mack see you later everybody and

2808
01:50:37,950 --> 01:50:36,400
devic Amanda Unitas and thank you for

2809
01:50:46,530 --> 01:50:37,960
joining us we'll see you in two weeks

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01:50:49,380 --> 01:50:46,540
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